B1G to experiment with replay on charge/block calls

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http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...-rule-approved?cid=ncaammsocial_tw_sf39230502

Conference only. Following stipulations:

Instant replay can be used only in the last two minutes of the second half or the last two minutes of any overtime period.
Instant replay may be used only when an official has made a block/charge call in or around the restricted area arc, and the decision is based on whether the defensive player was in or outside the arc. Instant replay may not be used on no-calls.
Any review, whether by the officials or a coach’s appeal, must be recognized and corrected before the ball next becomes live.

Not nearly far enough IMO
 
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Dislike- I don't like the thought of giving most of these Bozo's even more time to figure out a way to Sanzere us in the behind.
 
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When I first saw this I cringed at the thought of even more time spent checking monitors. At least it's limited in scope to only the arc area, but still fearing more slow downs and unintentional time outs. How long could those final 2 minutes take now?
 
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When I first saw this I cringed at the thought of even more time spent checking monitors. At least it's limited in scope to only the arc area, but still fearing more slow downs and unintentional time outs. How long could those final 2 minutes take now?

I worry about this as well. The only problem I have with replay in any sport is how long it takes. In my opinion replay should exist to fix the glaring errors. If you can't figure it out in 30 seconds the call should stand.
 
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TownieMatt

CU Expat
Chicago
I'm generally on board with this, but only for inside/outside the arc during the last two minutes. Replay should never extend to judgement calls (and this doesn't).

I don't like that coaches can challenge. Wouldn't be surprised to see coaches use this as an extra timeout down the stretch, unless some kind of penalty is imposed for an incorrect challenge.
 
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I like this. When I saw the name of the thread I said "oh no!" out loud. But I like the idea of making sure the guy is outside the arc. Contact near the restricted area is a huge point of emphasis this year. Seems to fall in line with that.
 
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May provide a second beneficial look at a critical play, yet may slow the momentum of the game to the point of paralyzing the game, thus a double-edged sword.
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
Dear god no. Thank goodness for dvr. I hardly ever watch anything live from the start anymore.
 
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Tevo

Wilmette, IL
Dear god no. Thank goodness for dvr. I hardly ever watch anything live from the start anymore.

+1000. I don't watch ANYthing live anymore. There's no reason to. And the "Auto-Extend" mode on the DVR is making recording of live games that much easier, too. Of course, it still cut off the 9th inning of the Cubs 4-run comeback. :mad:
 
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I'm generally on board with this, but only for inside/outside the arc during the last two minutes. Replay should never extend to judgement calls (and this doesn't).

I don't like that coaches can challenge. Wouldn't be surprised to see coaches use this as an extra timeout down the stretch, unless some kind of penalty is imposed for an incorrect challenge.

I agree. I think the players in the game should be separated from coaches, except for timeouts. They basically get a free timeout every time play stops.
 
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Deleted member 533939

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I love all increased usage of replay. Can't wait for RoboUmps to call balls and strikes in MLB.
 
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I love all increased usage of replay. Can't wait for RoboUmps to call balls and strikes in MLB.

I agree with exactly half of that and vehemently disagree with the other. Which is interesting.

I hate nearly all uses of replay, because they take too long. Errors are bad, but they happen and at least they happen in the flow of the game.

On the other hand, a balls and strikes system, set up to operate that way, would be wonderful, so that the strike zone was the same, not only ump to ump, but from one count to another. Today, the strike zone when the count is 3-1 is completely different from the strike zone when the count is 1-2.

I certainly don't want to see replay of one particular type of issue in one small segment of the game. Is the block/charge call really causing the wrong team to win lots and lots of basketball games? I don't think so.
 
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http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...-rule-approved?cid=ncaammsocial_tw_sf39230502

Conference only. Following stipulations:



Not nearly far enough IMO

No thanks.
This assumes that a referee can identify a charge or block even on a replay. And sometimes it is so hard to determine anyway. This will just cause charge/block controversies to be debated in a different way rather than end them. I suspect that this will result in many more blocking calls and maybe ultimately a reluctance to step in front of someone and try to draw that call. Most of the time, if there is any doubt, replay shows the defender at least moving a little bit still. Charge away!
 
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Is the block/charge call really causing the wrong team to win lots and lots of basketball games? I don't think so.

It does not, but it can cause the wrong team to win in a critical game. For example, when the wrong call was made in the Illinois-Miami game, it cost us the opportunity to compete for winning that game.

I think replay can help in certain situations, but the current process is very inefficient. Refs stop the game, they start explaining to coaches, they go back and huddle/discuss, look at the monitors, look again, huddle/discuss again, possibly look at the monitors again, talk to the coaches some more, talk to the game announcers, then make a call. Terrible.

You can speed the entire process by having an outside designated replay person review the play, sometimes real time, and directly tell the officials the correct call. Having all three officials do the replay dance/ritual every time adds nothing to the game.
 
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No thanks.
This assumes that a referee can identify a charge or block even on a replay. And sometimes it is so hard to determine anyway. This will just cause charge/block controversies to be debated in a different way rather than end them. I suspect that this will result in many more blocking calls and maybe ultimately a reluctance to step in front of someone and try to draw that call. Most of the time, if there is any doubt, replay shows the defender at least moving a little bit still. Charge away!

One thing that could make it interesting is the new rule interpretation/point of officiating emphasis on the principle of verticality for this year. I recently saw a NCAA video (couldn't find it again- will provide a link if I do) from which I took that a defender is entitled , even from within the restricted arc, to jump straight up and attempt to block a shot. Basically, if the defender has left his feet from within the arc to make a block attempt and observes the principle of verticality, the offensive player making contact within the restricted arc is supposed to be called for the charge.

Edit: found the link in the Illini Basketball 2016-2017 thread (post 136 I think)
 
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For example, when the wrong call was made in the Illinois-Miami game, it cost us the opportunity to compete for winning that game.
Am I being too Illini-centric here, or was that botched call a reason that they implemented OOB review for the following season?

Because that was awful.
 
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Am I being too Illini-centric here, or was that botched call a reason that they implemented OOB review for the following season?

Because that was awful.

One of the reasons, but many cited that game as an example on national media.
 
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BirdDog9048

The Chief Lives
Chicago, IL
One thing that could make it interesting is the new rule interpretation/point of officiating emphasis on the principle of verticality for this year. I recently saw a NCAA video (couldn't find it again- will provide a link if I do) from which I took that a defender is entitled , even from within the restricted arc, to jump straight up and attempt to block a shot. Basically, if the defender has left his feet from within the arc to make a block attempt and observes the principle of verticality, the offensive player making contact within the restricted arc is supposed to be called for the charge.

Edit: found the link in the Illini Basketball 2016-2017 thread (post 136 I think)
From that video, I learned that if a defender is inside the arc and doesn't jump, it's a block, but if he jumps, it's okay... That seems completely ridiculous. :tsk:
 
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From that video, I learned that if a defender is inside the arc and doesn't jump, it's a block, but if he jumps, it's okay... That seems completely ridiculous. :tsk:

Yeah I kinda went off about that in the thread the video was originally posted lol.
 
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peace davids

Colorado
In all sports, I want a video referee that is watching every minute and angle. Coaches can challenge a live call X number of times during the game. Field refs can ask for a review at any point.

The video ref (in another room) makes the call in <30 seconds through an earpiece to the field refs. Quick, simple, and better than the current system.

In the last two minutes, the video ref can call in and overturn any call that is obviously missed by the live refs.