Big Ten All-Conference Awards

#26      
Yes and no. They had KJ listed as a wide receiver last year, so +1 for identifying talent, - 10,000 for knowing how to use it.
that's ridiculous. nate hobbs is listed among top 10 rookies and was by far the lowest picked of the 10 listed, with the next closest pick being made 104 picks ahead of him (!).

it didn't work out with lovie, but let's not pretend everything they touched turned to sh*t.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-no-1-our-top-10-mac-jones-leads-all-qbs-more
 
#27      
He's really good, but the B1G is loaded in punting.
Hayes' strength is directional coffin corner punting pinning teams deep, and this year he was 11th in the nation in net punting, and only had 2 touchbacks on 68 punts.

His fellow Aussie Adam Korsak at Rutgers led the nation in net punting and had 70 punts and zero(!) touchbacks. Insane.

That feathery pitching wedge kind of kicking is something kids who grew up with Aussie rules football just have a natural skill for no one else really does.

But ultimately what the NFL wants most is field position flipping power and hang time, and in that regard Matt Araiza from San Diego State, who I believe has broken the NCAA record for total punting average this year, is an evolutionary player. He'll be drafted in the first few rounds.
 
#28      
Hayes' strength is directional coffin corner punting pinning teams deep, and this year he was 11th in the nation in net punting, and only had 2 touchbacks on 68 punts.

His fellow Aussie Adam Korsak at Rutgers led the nation in net punting and had 70 punts and zero(!) touchbacks. Insane.

That feathery pitching wedge kind of kicking is something kids who grew up with Aussie rules football just have a natural skill for no one else really does.

But ultimately what the NFL wants most is field position flipping power and hang time, and in that regard Matt Araiza from San Diego State, who I believe has broken the NCAA record for total punting average this year, is an evolutionary player. He'll be drafted in the first few rounds.
I love it when a punter can put together a highlight reel -


"This season, Araiza has turned into a kicking phenomenon and an offensive weapon for the defensively inclined 8-1 San Diego State Aztecs. He has multiple 50-yard field goals and has an 83% touchback rate (top-10 in the country with at least 40 kickoffs). He has two punts of over 80 yards, six punts over 70 yards, an NCAA-record 15 punts over 60 yards and averages 363 punting yards per game and just over 52 yards per punt (both tops in the nation). He is on pace to break the record for most punting yards in a season and well on his way to breaking the records for most yards per punt, too. It's those punts that often look like doctored videos that have turned Araiza into a vessel for viral videos."
 
#29      
that's ridiculous. nate hobbs is listed among top 10 rookies and was by far the lowest picked of the 10 listed, with the next closest pick being made 104 picks ahead of him (!).

it didn't work out with lovie, but let's not pretend everything they touched turned to sh*t.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-no-1-our-top-10-mac-jones-leads-all-qbs-more
I don't know if you're helping your argument. Why would such a talent be drafted so low coming out of college if he was being so expertly utilized by Lovie and his staff?
 
#31      
lol, no pleasing some people

edit: below is his recruiting profile. his rank was 1757 in the nation. he was picked 167th overall. now, what were you saying again?

https://247sports.com/Player/Nate-Hobbs-45572490/high-school-181186/
Nate has exceeded expectations by a factor of 7 coming out of high school and by a factor of 28 coming out of college, so his high school coach apparently utilized him more effectively.

If you're trying to pin Nate's success on Lovie and the staff's ability to "coach them up," everyone should have been drafted and excelling in the NFL. I will grant you that they didn't screw him up, so @illini80 might have been exaggerating a little with the -10,000 score in utilization.
 
#32      

blackdog

Champaign
#33      
Uh, is he gonna go pro now?
He should, but I doubt he does.

Remember when Reggie Corbin ran for over 1000 yards? He probably could have gotten some day 3 looks, but instead he came back which dramatically hurt his pro stock.

In college sports, if your draft stock is high, you need to leave. Jake Locker is another example. Gotta love when guys come back, but sometimes they hurt their financial future in the process.
 
#34      
He should, but I doubt he does.

Remember when Reggie Corbin ran for over 1000 yards? He probably could have gotten some day 3 looks, but instead he came back which dramatically hurt his pro stock.

In college sports, if your draft stock is high, you need to leave. Jake Locker is another example. Gotta love when guys come back, but sometimes they hurt their financial future in the process.
Is his draft stock high, though? I really don't know. His pass blocking seems to need work and I don't recall too many receptions to show off to the scouts. He's a good runner, but there are a lot of good running backs in college.
 
#35      
One item I find interesting....KJ was 1st Team - Media, 2nd Team - Coaches, and 2nd Team - PFF. He was graded the #1 DB in the nation by his PFF score, yet he is 2nd Team All Big Ten? What good is the PFF score if they don't even use it for handing out awards?
I think it's worth mentioning that the scheme (offense or defense for a given player), the status (blue blood equals more exposure) and success (winning record) of the school you play for and the people you play with (who can support you and make you look better) has a heavy bearing on these types of awards. Congrats to the players who received this recognition and to the team as a whole who made it possible.
 
#37      
Talking about Kerby Joseph being one of the best safeties in college football this year.
Ah, thank you. That makes much more sense. The talk of Reggie Corbin, who I don't recall having much of a high draft stock, must have thrown me off.

Still, Kerby Joseph needs to know how the NFL scouts grade him. I wouldn't tell anyone what to do, but it seems like a good idea for him to explore it.
 
#38      
Ah, thank you. That makes much more sense. The talk of Reggie Corbin, who I don't recall having much of a high draft stock, must have thrown me off.

Still, Kerby Joseph needs to know how the NFL scouts grade him. I wouldn't tell anyone what to do, but it seems like a good idea for him to explore it.
obviously he needs to do what's best for him; optimistic (selfish?) side of me think maybe there's more development to be had with a 2nd year at the position and a 2nd yr under the current coaching staff