Big Ten All-Conference Awards

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C'mon Andy!

I would have maybe understood Davis over Kofi before yesterday, but at this point I don't get it. Both led their teams to a conference championship, and Kofi averages more ppg and more rebounds a game, with muuuuuuuuch better efficiency (eFG% 59.7 vs. 48.4). I think Keegan Murray has a strong argument against Kofi, but just don't see it with Davis. I actually think Liddell has Davis beat statistically too, when taking efficiency into account.

Also, give BU coach of the year! He lost his his best player to the draft then lost his whole assistant coaching staff, and still won the conference championship.
 
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Piotyr

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According to KenPom player of the year rating (takes into effect player efficiency, team quality, and player importance to team), here are the 5 all-B1G players:

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I don't personally have an issue with any of the 5, or necessarily the order. 4 of them were on the overall top 10 as well, so that says how high level the competition in the B1G was all year round.
 
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Piotyr said:
According to KenPom player of the year rating (takes into effect player efficiency, team quality, and player importance to team), here are the 5 all-B1G players:

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I don't personally have an issue with any of the 5, or necessarily the order. 4 of them were on the overall top 10 as well, so that says how high level the competition in the B1G was all year round.
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Keegan Murray's efficiency was way better than I realized until tonight. If Iowa were higher up in the Big Ten standings I think he'd be the hands down favorite. Here is how the likely top 5* rank in Player Efficiency Rating (PER) per Sports Reference:

1. Murray - 37.8
2. Kofi - 32.6
3. Liddell - 30.7
4. Davis - 25.3
5. Ivey - 23.0

* I substituted Ivey for Edey, because while Edey is actually more efficient than any of these guys (PER 41.4), he only plays about 19 minutes a game. For that reason I don't think he'll edge out any of these 5 for POY or All-Big Ten consideration.
 
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AnnaMay

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Let's not ignore the fact that Murray and Liddell's numbers are a little inflated due to having easier B1G schedules.
 
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jumpingjack

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the juiceman cometh said:
C'mon Andy!

I would have maybe understood Davis over Kofi before yesterday, but at this point I don't get it. Both led their teams to a conference championship, and Kofi averages more ppg and more rebounds a game, with muuuuuuuuch better efficiency (eFG% 59.7 vs. 48.4). I think Keegan Murray has a strong argument against Kofi, but just don't see it with Davis. I actually think Liddell has Davis beat statistically too, when taking efficiency into account.

Also, give BU coach of the year! He lost his his best player to the draft then lost his whole assistant coaching staff, and still won the conference championship.
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And something like 50+ games to injury
 
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AnnaMay said:
Let's not ignore the fact that Murray and Liddell's numbers are a little inflated due to having easier B1G schedules.
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More true for Iowa than OSU. OSU's SOS (overall, not just conference) ranks as 18th per Kenpom. For comparison, ours is 14th, Wisconsin's is 16th, and Purdue's is 35th. Iowa comes in at 55th (a big part of that has to be Iowa's very weak nonconference slate, ranked #327 per Kenpom).
 
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AnnaMay

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the juiceman cometh said:
More true for Iowa than OSU. OSU's SOS (overall, not just conference) ranks as 18th per Kenpom. For comparison, ours is 14th, Wisconsin's is 16th, and Purdue's is 35th. Iowa comes in at 55th (a big part of that has to be Iowa's very weak nonconference slate, ranked #327 per Kenpom).
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Yes, Iowa played basically every bottom tier B1G team twice this year.
 
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InDaAZ

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the juiceman cometh said:
C'mon Andy!

I would have maybe understood Davis over Kofi before yesterday, but at this point I don't get it. Both led their teams to a conference championship, and Kofi averages more ppg and more rebounds a game, with muuuuuuuuch better efficiency (eFG% 59.7 vs. 48.4).
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Looks like someone missed the memo: Kofi doesn’t have any talent - his numbers are just a product of his size. Plus, scoring and rebounding with two or three opponents chopping, slapping and hanging on you every time you get the ball down low proves how easy it is for him.
 
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IlliniFandom

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frozenrope9190 said:
If it was just the games I saw against Illinois, I'd give it to Liddell. We didn't have an answer for him.
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We do now....or we did then, but he wasn't in the right space to recognize his potential...CH today I think can do the job and give EJ some resistance. At least more than we gave him last outing
 
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Piotyr said:
According to KenPom player of the year rating (takes into effect player efficiency, team quality, and player importance to team), here are the 5 all-B1G players:

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I don't personally have an issue with any of the 5, or necessarily the order. 4 of them were on the overall top 10 as well, so that says how high level the competition in the B1G was all year round.
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I really appreciate Liddell’s game too. His timing blocking shots helps him play five inches taller than his natural height.
 
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turnaround3

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Wild year. You could make totally valid arguments for five different B1G players to be - setting aside first team B1G for a moment - first team All Americans.

I think ultimately only two wind up with that distinction, maybe three if things unfurl a certain way but still, wild to consider. Can't remember the last time any conference had such a resume. Probably some Big East year many moons ago, if ever.
 
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AnnaMay said:
Yes, Iowa played basically every bottom tier B1G team twice this year.
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They generally try and take into account B1G play only. Keegan has 2 ppg on Kofi and Kofi has 2 rpg on Keegan. Kofi might get the nod because he's on the best top team in the conference.
 
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Just want to state, I actually don't disagree with any of those choices, maybe would really push for Trent, but Illinois won the Big 10.

I have no problem sharing the title scenario but to repeatedly say winning matters and Wisconsin 'won' the big 10 is a bit of stretch for me. Illinois is the number 1 seed and did destroy Wisconsin this year. so....
 
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TheFameProtector

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Keegan and Davis are both worthy POY candidates imo. I'd probably favor Davis just b/c of his heroics on an otherwise pretty weak Wisky team, along with Wisky's greater level of success. At the end of the day though, Illinois had just as much success as Wisky in the B1G and Kofi/Illinois won all 3 head-to-head matchups with both of those guys. I think that should count for something and be a so-called tiebreaker.

I think the unfortunate reality is that if we had beat Purdue once, and traded another loss to still end up as co-champs, Kofi would be POY. Those two wins against the highest (AP) ranked team by Wisky and Davis' production in those games are pulling a lotttt of weight in his POY campaign. That and the lack of preseason expectations are putting him over the top more than the numbers/analytics say he should.
 
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LouHenson

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No question Davis has had a great year and he clearly has made Wisconsin a “contender”. That being said Kofi is the most intimidating player in the BIG and in the nation. We did beat Wisconsin (albeit at home) and we beat Murray twice. I don’t know how Kofi is not POY in the BIG at least.