Loyalillini10
- Urbana, IL
I will just be simple: I think he is worth the money.
Remember when we locked up Weber? How’d that stability work? I get your point, however.Brad Underwood’s first 4 years at Illinois:
14-18
12-21
21-10
24-7
Mike Krzyzewski’s first 4 years at Duke
17-13
10-17
11-17
24-10
Listen, I am NOT saying BU is Coach K, nor will he ever be. I am only saying it takes time and the needle is pointing in the right direction from all angles. Is he worth the money? I don’t know but I like the move because it creates stability within the program which promotes continued progression.
I pretty much agree. I like it, but don't love it. I'm a bit concerned about his recruiting. I'm waiting for him to get a couple top 20 guys. Schools around us (IU, OSU, Mich, Mich State) seem to be bringing in really high-rated guys. Hell, Memphis, who definitely isn't a blood blood, is cleaning up on the trail. OTOH, Underwood seems to have a great eye for talent, so maybe getting guys in the 30-100 range will do it.Remember when we locked up Weber? How’d that stability work? I get your point, however.
What happens if Kofi didn’t return? Are we giddy about an Underwood extension? IF Kofi didn’t return, this team is far from being top 25. BU isn’t exactly putting together top recruiting classes to replace the top talent leaving.
Again, I like the extension, but I don’t love it.
I pretty much agree. I like it, but don't love it. I'm a bit concerned about his recruiting. I'm waiting for him to get a couple top 20 guys. Schools around us (IU, OSU, Mich, Mich State) seem to be bringing in really high-rated guys. Hell, Memphis, who definitely isn't a blood blood, is cleaning up on the trail. OTOH, Underwood seems to have a great eye for talent, so maybe getting guys in the 30-100 range will do it.
I get that there have been some disappointments in recruiting, but I think he's overall done a great job there. While I'd love top-20 guys, we've had quite a bit of success with top-50-but-not-top-20 type guys (who've gone ahead and showed themselves to be All-American level players).I pretty much agree. I like it, but don't love it. I'm a bit concerned about his recruiting. I'm waiting for him to get a couple top 20 guys. Schools around us (IU, OSU, Mich, Mich State) seem to be bringing in really high-rated guys. Hell, Memphis, who definitely isn't a blood blood, is cleaning up on the trail. OTOH, Underwood seems to have a great eye for talent, so maybe getting guys in the 30-100 range will do it.
You may be waiting a while. Underwood seems to focus on kids who will be here 2-3 years vs. one and done. Freshmen make a lot of mistakes. Team chemistry takes a while to form. Players are a lot better their second, or third year. Would you rather have the #15 freshman, or the #35 sophomore on average? This view would seem to aim at recruits in the 30-60 range. A player ranked 80-100, whom they think is undervalued fits just fine. Glue pieces, are often not ranked highly.I pretty much agree. I like it, but don't love it. I'm a bit concerned about his recruiting. I'm waiting for him to get a couple top 20 guys. Schools around us (IU, OSU, Mich, Mich State) seem to be bringing in really high-rated guys. Hell, Memphis, who definitely isn't a blood blood, is cleaning up on the trail. OTOH, Underwood seems to have a great eye for talent, so maybe getting guys in the 30-100 range will do it.
Your comment reads as though BU intentionally avoids top-20 and one-and-done recruits but I don't think that's the case. We've offered and recruited plenty of those guys, just haven't landed any.You may be waiting a while. Underwood seems to focus on kids who will be here 2-3 years vs. one and done. Freshmen make a lot of mistakes. Team chemistry takes a while to form. Players are a lot better their second, or third year. Would you rather have the #15 freshman, or the #35 sophomore on average? This view would seem to aim at recruits in the 30-60 range. A player ranked 80-100, whom they think is undervalued fits just fine. Glue pieces, are often not ranked highly.
You have to be able to play 2-3 years in college at minimum to be eliteYour comment reads as though BU intentionally avoids top-20 and one-and-done recruits but I don't think that's the case. We've offered and recruited plenty of those guys, just haven't landed any.
I'm not saying BU would turn down a top 20 who really wanted to come here. If someone really wants to be here, they are much more likely to stay if they aren't really ready for the 1-and-done.Your comment reads as though BU intentionally avoids top-20 and one-and-done recruits but I don't think that's the case. We've offered and recruited plenty of those guys, just haven't landed any.
I'm not saying BU would turn down a top 20 who really wanted to come here. If someone really wants to be here, they are much more likely to stay if they aren't really ready for the 1-and-done.
The recruiting efforts seem to be aimed at the next tier. What top 20 recruits have we heard that the staff was recruiting hard. My quick scan of the 247 top 20 lists saw TyTy for 2021. I did not recognize any of the others as a serious, hard press. I may have missed some.
2020 Top Basketball Recruits
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The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com2022 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com
This isn't a knock on Underwood by any means. I think there may be more success along this route, and as a fan, I'd much rather watch players I know for a few years than a KY style churn.
We don't waste time with recruits that have no interest in us. When a top ten recruit expresses interest you can bet we'll work it hard.I'm not saying BU would turn down a top 20 who really wanted to come here. If someone really wants to be here, they are much more likely to stay if they aren't really ready for the 1-and-done.
The recruiting efforts seem to be aimed at the next tier. What top 20 recruits have we heard that the staff was recruiting hard. My quick scan of the 247 top 20 lists saw TyTy for 2021. I did not recognize any of the others as a serious, hard press. I may have missed some.
2020 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com2021 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com2022 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com
This isn't a knock on Underwood by any means. I think there may be more success along this route, and as a fan, I'd much rather watch players I know for a few years than a KY style churn.
That's pretty impressive. I've been a huge fan since the late 70s. I had almost given up 4-5 years ago.The 3 years before Brad Underwood? We averaged #84 in KenPom. With Underwood, we’ve gone: 102, 84, 30, 5. With our current preseason ranking for next year in T-rank at #5. With two top 100 players committed in our next class.
This off season, he lost all 3 assistants, yet replaced each of the 3 with young talent and didn’t skip a beat in terms of recruiting.
He might not be reeling in top 20 recruits (yet), but we’re poised to finish in the top 10 in back to back years for the first time since ‘05, ‘06.
He’s worth it.