Brad Underwood Named Illini Basketball Coach

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Ryllini

Lombard
Nah, it's not about the money. Jerrance needs an opportunity for a HC job and the chances of that happening at UI/Uderwood are almost non-existent compared to KU/Self. Kenny Payne got the money, but at UK under Calipari.

I don't know, JH could definitely come back and have a chance in say 6 years to take over the program. He isn't out of his 30's yet and by all accounts isn't even the top assistant at Kansas. If we are smart enough on this board to realize he isn't ready, other universities are probably aware of that fact. Should BU decide he wants him, he should swallow his pride and come home and learn what the culture of Illinois basketball is to be.
 
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Great hire and now I can claim myself an Underwood insider!!!! Underwood coached a family friend at the guard position during the late 90s. The friend is now a high school coach in Wisconsin and attended a basketball camp in Stilleater this summer. Guy is awesome, tough as nails. If there is any softness on this roster, players will quickly adapt or be shown the door. He will win.
 
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He is, indeed, extremely intense. It's obvious just watching him teach to other coaches. He talked about never taking a day off, not even with the flu, because he never wants to give his guys a chance to relax. From a mental standpoint it's gonna take a tough guy to play for him. From a physical standpoint, our guys fit sooooo well.

Appreciate your insights. When you say it takes a tough guy, I'm assuming you mean mentally tough. What's about BB IQ -- does his system require a generally higher level of that from the players relative to other systems? I'm thinking primarily on the offensive side here. Thx.
 
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Oh yeah. Not a snowball's chance underwood relocates next year. Think he wants to leave Illinois at 54 to coach the "other" Kansas school while Self tries for 15 titles in a row? Highly doubtful. No doubt that brad's contract is ripped up, escalated and extended after the team makes the NCAA next year.
 
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I don't know, JH could definitely come back and have a chance in say 6 years to take over the program.

The only way Jerrance gets a chance at UI in 6 years is if Underwood fails. And if Underwood fails and Jerrance is on his staff, his chances deduce to zero.

His chances of getting a HC position at some other school are much better at KU (a blue blood) under a HOF coach. Illinois makes zero sense and actually a move to UI would decrease his chances. I doubt he wants to wait six years, but knowing him personally, he will wait for the right opportunity.

by all accounts isn't even the top assistant at Kansas.

If you imply that Norm Roberts is the top assistant, that is because Norm Roberts has been with Self as a loyal assistant for a gazillion years. Norm has failed miserably though at 2 HC stints, so no, he is not getting another opportunity before Jerrance. It is quite possible that Norm Roberts may never become a HC again, he is not that marketable as HC. But a really good assistant.

Should BU decide he wants him, he should swallow his pride and come home and learn what the culture of Illinois basketball is to be.

LOL... Jerrance Howard had been the heart and soul of Illinois for so many years. He has to come back to learn what the Illini culture is??? Are we crazy here?

Come back for what? Get a chance to become an assistant again at a lower ranked school (UI vs. KU) under a lower ranked coach? No offense, I hope Brad Underwood becomes a huge success, but he is not exactly Bill Self. C'mon... Yet, your statement is to get a chance to coach at UI in 6 years? How?
 
#533      
It's like Illinois' AD realized upon being hired last year they're a Big Ten team and have boat-loads of money. Took long enough hah.
 
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haasi

New York
If you imply that Norm Roberts is the top assistant, that is because Norm Roberts has been with Self as a loyal assistant for a gazillion years.



Think he meant Townsend
 
#535      

Trakis

Chicago, IL
Some thoughts.

- I think there are two ways to look at this search. The first is the narrow version of this last week, which I think went about as well as could reasonably be expected. Clearly there were other candidates, at least Bennett and Archie and probably Monty as well and perhaps others (though the alleged Cuonzo offer is clearly BS). But whereas Mike Thomas pushed those types of situations into lengthy public courtships, Josh Whitman had the discretion to know the battles he couldn't win, and had irons in lots of fires and was seeing the whole marketplace. A quality job.

- I think the second way though, it to look at the job Whitman inherited. Clearly he saw the Cubit situation as non-viable, and thought brilliantly outside the box to make the Lovie thing happen. There's a different version of that story where Cubit coaches the 2016 team and there's a more traditional search, but lucky outcomes are never an impossibility for smart, prepared people. Clearly the Groce situation was viewed differently. I think Whitman, and many of us, saw the potential for a big breakout this year from Groce. Firing him last year would have been justifiable, but was it necessary? And if we'd have fired him, clearly Underwood as well as Bryce Drew would have been right at the top of the list of replacements. Seems as if Drew was another option in our search, so what Whitman managed to do was get another year of data on Groce clearly showing him as not the man for the job, as well as another year of data on Underwood and Drew, showing that both weren't in over their heads at major jobs. Gaining that much more certainty and still having access to the same candidates is just an A+. It's a masterwork.

- It was funny to see the "this won't excite Illinois fans, but it's a great hire" narrative from some folks on Twitter. I haven't read through this thread, but we're not idiots. This isn't a sneaky low-key home run (a la my boy Keatts!), this is a smack you in the face home run. Poaching successful P5 coaches who those schools want to keep just doesn't happen, nor does someone taking over the (talented, admittedly) garbage Travis Ford left and turning them into the #1 offense in the country. This guy is the genuine article.

- There's a reason we didn't really consider him as someone available. Leaving a school after one year is crummy, and when Bruce gets fired next year there's going to be a bit of sweating. I have confidence Whitman won't make him feel as under-appreciated as Okie State apparently did, but that just is what it is.

- Obviously, recruiting is going to be the question. You would imagine he'll try to hire a Chicago Whisperer and he'll have Walker and we'll see how that goes. But what I am most over the moon about with this hire is that the plan is no longer just beating our heads against the wall trying to "hustle" Illinois into being a destination for elite talent because of what sweet, innocent, desperate people we are. This is a system we're bringing in, and our recruits are going to fit us, we don't need to fit them. We're going to establish an identity and attract players with that identity and our success and the role they can play in our story, not the role we can play in ours. It's exactly what I've been begging for for years. Now, that's not a guarantee, Underwood could debase himself on the rocks of the Chicago AAU scene, but I am confident that won't happen. He's got too much credibility for that.

- Speaking of credibility. Lovie and Underwood. There was always going to be an analysis of what Whitman's two hires had in common, and you don't want to overdraw the comparison, but it just seems so clear. Credibility, coaching chops, no-nonsense lack of BS leaders. There is a massive gulf of quality between them of course, but Tim Beckman and John Groce were the kind of sloganeering, gimmicky song and dance men that you would expect from a marketing department suit like Mike Thomas. Lovie and Underwood are what you would expect from someone who has been in those locker rooms and has spilled his blood, sweat and tears for this athletic program and who retains great admiration for the serious-minded professional quality coaches who made an NFL player and a man out of him.

- Two years. We're DONE with this nonsense for two years. The 2018 Football season will be critical for Lovie, the 2018-19 season will be a loaded roster that should be a success for Underwood. I have every confidence we'll be even more excited about these coaches two years from today than we are right now. But obviously honeymoons don't last forever and if either of those situations are disastrous between now and then there will come a time to start asking some questions. But I think it's an incredible gift to this fanbase to be able to put "fire the coach" aside for two full years and just dedicate ourselves to being part of the build and putting everything into making these eras a success. Forget two full years, we haven't even been able to do that for two consecutive team-seasons since at least 2007. As you all know, I have become something of a self-appointed expert of coaching searches in that decade. And I have hated every minute of it. It's over. Now comes the fun part. Let's go!

:hailtotheorange::hailtotheorange::hailtotheorange::hailtotheorange::hailtotheorange:

I feel bad quoting this entire post, but it's worth it.

Preach. Talk dirty to me, and preach.
 
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illinifan87

The Windy City
I have absolutely no idea if Underwood was high on Whitman's radar the entire time or what tier he was in, but I don't care.

Whitman didn't wanna be left holding the bag, and he wasn't.

You know how we all killed Groce for overreaching on recruits? Bragg, Brunson, Thomas, etc and not paying attention to the Juwan Evans'?

That's exactly what Whitman didn't do. Why chase Miller, Marshall, Bennett, Williams if they aren't interested? Get the guy who's mutually interested in you and happens to be a helluva coach.

Whitman's instincts are superb. He didn't get played and managed this process brilliantly, at least from the outside looking in.

I'm friggin pumped.

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#538      

illinifan87

The Windy City
Also, should be noted that Underwood was the lead recruiter when Kansas State bagged Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, Jacob Pullen I believe.

May not be the best recruiter in the land but I think he'll be more than capable and it all depends on the staff he assembles.

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#539      
Think he meant Townsend

I can tell you with certainty that Townsend is not viewed at KU as the lead assistant. Not sure what a lead assistant is, but Norm is the lead assistant, title-wise. There are no rankings, was Jamal our lead assistant? Was Danny Manning the lead assistant? It has nothing to do with being the next one to get a job. And if you do, it matters at what school. Heck, Barry Hinson became HC at SIU from being director of basketball operations at KU.

If people do not like Jerrance, fine. But it is highly hypocritical to pretend that coming back as an assistant at UI (vs. KU) and Underwood (vs. Self) makes any sense. It does not. He's been here, done that. Makes zero sense to come back as assistant, yet people bring him up because they want Jerrance to bring recruits.

Jerrance back at UI right now as an assistant is a totally unrealistic scenario. I'll bet all of my beach houses, and Matt's as well (the ones he has not bet yet), that it is not happening.
 
#540      
Also, should be noted that Underwood was the lead recruiter when Kansas State bagged Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, Jacob Pullen I believe.

May not be the best recruiter in the land but I think he'll be more than capable and it all depends on the staff he assembles.

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Sorry that isn't true. Frank Martin and Dalonte Hill were the chief recruiters for those guys. Hill had some legal problems which led him out of coaching but he was a tremendous recruiter along with Martin. Underwood is X and O guy
 
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haasi

New York
Also, should be noted that Underwood was the lead recruiter when Kansas State bagged Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, Jacob Pullen I believe.

May not be the best recruiter in the land but I think he'll be more than capable and it all depends on the staff he assembles.

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Pretty sure it was another assistant Dalonte Hill, who was at later point top paid assistant in country at Maryland under Turgeon but had to resign after multiple DUI arrests.
 
#542      

haasi

New York
Jerrance back at UI right now as an assistant is a totally unrealistic scenario. I'll bet all of my beach houses, and Matt's as well (the ones he has not bet yet), that it is not happening.



Ya would make no sense
 
#543      
I can tell you with certainty that Townsend is not viewed at KU as the lead assistant. Not sure what a lead assistant is, but Norm is the lead assistant, title-wise. There are no rankings, was Jamal our lead assistant? Was Danny Manning the lead assistant? It has nothing to do with being the next one to get a job. And if you do, it matters at what school. Heck, Barry Hinson became HC at SIU from being director of basketball operations at KU.

If people do not like Jerrance, fine. But it is highly hypocritical to pretend that coming back as an assistant at UI (vs. KU) and Underwood (vs. Self) makes any sense. It does not. He's been here, done that. Makes zero sense to come back as assistant, yet people bring him up because they want Jerrance to bring recruits.

Jerrance back at UI right now as an assistant is a totally unrealistic scenario. I'll bet all of my beach houses, and Matt's as well (the ones he has not bet yet), that it is not happening.

Jerrance is right where he needs to be for his career. He's not coming back here any time soon.

All is not lost however, because I think Underwood will find a connected Chicago recruiter to add to the staff.
 
#544      
Also, should be noted that Underwood was the lead recruiter when Kansas State bagged Michael Beasley

Nah, Underwood was not the lead recruiter for Michael Beasley, Dalonte Hill was. Not the cleanest chapter in the book of integrity of Bob Huggins at KSU.
 
#545      
Pretty sure it was another assistant Dalonte Hill, who was at later point top paid assistant in country at Maryland under Turgeon but had to resign after multiple DUI arrests.

Yeah, he was the HC of DC Assault, one of the most powerful AAU programs. I believe Beasley himself filled a lawsuit against him alleging that he paid his family in order for them to move to KSU.
 
#546      
Just perusing the Scout board for the first time in awhile. Wow. The consensus didn't even know who Underwood is. How far has that board fallen? Are they still suffering from the Peoriaman days?

I realize I only have a few posts, but I've been lurking since the Brumby days. Then Scout, then Peoriaman and his self-righteous Bruce loving possey caused the Scout exodus. Then the Cesspool. Then that's when I found Lotalty. Then Loyalty snatched up InisideIllini.com from Scout on the sly (lol). Not sure what Loyalty's history was before that.

Seems like Scout hasn't recovered at least from a content perspective.
 
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illinifan87

The Windy City
I stand corrected on Underwood's recruting then.

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#548      
All is not lost however, because I think Underwood will find a connected Chicago recruiter to add to the staff.

If people believe we have the right coach, you have to trust that he will find capable assistants. Assistants help, but if the HC is not a dynamic recruiter himself, no assistant will save him. Likewise, if people start questioning the quality of assistants or start suggesting changes to staff, it means you do not have the right HC. JMO.
 
#549      
Appreciate your insights. When you say it takes a tough guy, I'm assuming you mean mentally tough. What's about BB IQ -- does his system require a generally higher level of that from the players relative to other systems? I'm thinking primarily on the offensive side here. Thx.

Learning the basic continuity is actually very simple. Same thing happens every time the ball hits the wing. The place where iq can come in is reading how to get the ball to the wing based on what the defense is doing. The offense has 3 "flows" and 3 "entries." He's gonna ask his ball handler to pick a flow then an entry. Picking the right one can be crucial. Reading how the defense plays it is also crucial.

Once the ball is entered, bb iq can help by breaking up the monotony of the continuity. Reading when to "push" the high post guy (cutter becomes high post guy, high post guy becomes cutter on the fly) for example based on how his defender is playing. When trying to enter the backside pinch post after the cutters, there are some options there as well. BB iq will help the players pick the right options to stress the defense the most, or react properly to the way the defense is stressing them.

Any super, next level stuff BU is gonna call from the bench. The playbook will be pretty detailed and rather big. Which is not really unique at this level. Memorizing the plays from every position, because they're all interchangeable, will probably be the biggest strain on the players, and that's where the biggest need for high iq guys will come from.

I'll be real. I work with high school kids who don't have great bb iq because before us they never played organized basketball. Everything I've alluded to here we've taught them and been successful with it. I have all the confidence in the world that if my kids can do it, our guys, who also take classes at the University of Illinois will be able to do it.

My excitement over this hire is uncontainable.
 
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PhillyIllini

Los Angeles
Just perusing the Scout board for the first time in awhile. Wow. The consensus didn't even know who Underwood is. How far has that board fallen? Are they still suffering from the Peoriaman days?

I realize I only have a few posts, but I've been lurking since the Brumby days. Then Scout, then Peoriaman and his self-righteous Bruce loving possey caused the Scout exodus. Then the Cesspool. Then that's when I found Lotalty. Then Loyalty snatched up InisideIllini.com from Scout on the sly (lol). Not sure what Loyalty's history was before that.

Seems like Scout hasn't recovered at least from a content perspective.

lol I just laughed at the blast from the past. Don't forget NOVA.
 
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