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Crazy when throw 88 pass attempts, score 59 points and still lose a game
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I think the good people of Bridgeport and Little Village might take a somewhat different view of what a benefit it would be to them to have 70,000 suburbanites create a trafficpocalypse in their neighborhood, spend all their money at the privately owned football stadium, and leave 10 times a year.
Those are all worse transit linked than Solider Field is too.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
if they stay in the city , it won’t be some god forsaken old brownfield site , which is best suited for a refinery or other heavy industrial use .
if it’s going to be used for all kinds of non football events, it needs to be well served by road/rail , and an area that tourists are good with going to .
my guess is it still gets built in AH , and this talk now is to build a case for a lower valuation of property value in AH until it’s built . A million dollars of legalese talk now may indeed save 50 million in real estate taxes from 2024-2032
if it’s going to be used for all kinds of non football events, it needs to be well served by road/rail , and an area that tourists are good with going to .
my guess is it still gets built in AH , and this talk now is to build a case for a lower valuation of property value in AH until it’s built . A million dollars of legalese talk now may indeed save 50 million in real estate taxes from 2024-2032
These are all once-industrial sites that would not impact the majority of those neighborhoods -- it's on their fringes. And some within those communities would welcome the chance to have all that revenue and new business coming near.
Transit always follows development. When the Chicago Stock Yards was a big thing... there were 'L' trains going all around the stockyards itself right off the main South Side 'L' line. Not saying that 'L' would come to the 'new' Bears neighborhood but you could have light rail coming from nearby existing train stops. Or express buses. Different options that would not require a huge amount of transit infrastructure.
This is all do-able with great upside. But I have no illusions that any of this has ever occured to the Bears nor would they care.
Remember, I am talking about RE-Development and the making of a new sports neighborhood. It would no longer be a brownfield site but a thriving and future-oriented sports-and-entertainment community.
Chicago is not getting any old-style industrial plants any more. Chicago has wiped out virtually all that it had. Chicago needs to remake itself for the future if it does not want to sink further behind growing places like Nashville, Austin, Charlotte, Las Vegas, etc.
Without imaginative development.... all we're going to get more and more and more Condos. The whole place is turning into nothing but a Condo Planet. Most all the revelopment is nothing but stacked housing.
Nothing wrong with condos, but what Chicago really needs is business growth that brings in dollars from outside the region. These stadium deals just repurpose money that is already being spent in the local economy.
South of I55 to 31st St, between Martin Luther King Drive and the railroad tracks. Immediately across I55 is McCormick Place, which is immediately north of I55. Would make an incredible convention complex.
Short Version: I live close to the AH site and have friends/neighbors involved in the local governments dealing with the AH site. 9-12 months ago the consensus was 50/50 for the Bears moving to AH. The last 6 months or so the consensus has been "isn't going to happen".
Longer Version: Here's one example of the disconnect between the Bears and AH. AH gets their water from the Northwest Water Commission (AH/Buffalo Grove/Wheeling/Palatine), which pipes in water from Evanston (Lake Michigan). What was adequate infrastructure for the local area is now inadequate if there will be a massive development that needs to support over 100,000 more people at a time. So the question then becomes who will pay to build new underground water pipes to bring this extra water in which will cost millions if not tens of millions. You can extend this to every level of infrastructure. The Bears want the government to fund these sorts of things and the governments aren't playing along. This also runs against the public statements from the Bears that they are fine funding the stadium themselves. Today, AH only happens if the Bears open their checkbook.
Also, the Bears plan involves a TIF district which freezes their property taxes at the current level. Just going from a $3M to $15M property tax bill it is clear why the Bears would fight this, but also because they want the really low value frozen for up to 23 years. Which is really hundreds of millions of current/future taxes being fought over.
Personal View: There are like 3 million people who live in Kane, Dupage, McHenry, and Lake counties plus suburban northern cook county. For these people getting to AH is easier than going downtown. Even if you're in Will County, it might be easier to get to AH. I do want the stadium built in AH just because it is close to where I live. But I also know that these stadium projects never bring in the promised economic gains and it would be foolish for taxpayers (me) to fund the massive project with all of the recurring added costs to make the Bears rich. This is also an upper middle class area so the jobs a stadium would bring aren't in highest demand compared to the city. Plus, I live out here because I want to live in a suburban area and not an urban area, so it isn't a big loss that the area isn't heavily urbanized if this falls through.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
I get all your concerns . I live in south DuPage , and would not really want a new stadium 3-4 miles away from where I live either .
AH would happen if we had an ownership group like Jerry Jones or Stan Kroenke. but with McCaskeys , they are just not like those guys . It will get done somewhere , but AH is clearly not the clear favorite it once was .
AH would happen if we had an ownership group like Jerry Jones or Stan Kroenke. but with McCaskeys , they are just not like those guys . It will get done somewhere , but AH is clearly not the clear favorite it once was .
KBLEE
- Montgomery, IL
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
What would the Falcons trade for Justin? If it is the #8 overall, I would certainly do that quickly.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
I would be surprised if the Bears got better than a 3rd round pick.
I wouldn't sell short the possibility of them getting a 2nd round pick as part of a trade package for Fields.
Think the lowest return is a conditional 3rd round pick
I see Justin Fields knows as much about basketball as he does about avoiding a pass rush!
Or maybe, and I could be wrong here, he's part of a generation who has seen Lebron play more than MJ and that is why he thinks that.
He will definitely be a Bear, unless another team picks him, or he signs somewhere else.
Looking from outside the Bears Bubble... why would Williams have any desire to play for the Bears? Yes, there it is a mark of distinction to be the Number One overall pick and he would certainly want that. But to go to a franchise that is generally clueless about building a winning football team and a place where QBs go to perish?
Maybe he can be the savior that Bears fans are hoping he can be and break the long Bears pattern of failure. But this is a guy who played at Oklahoma and USC... both legacy football royalty programs. Going to a place with a losing culture could ruin him.
Maybe he’ll say all the right things if and when he is drafted by the Bears. But as unpopular a move as it might be... perhaps the Bears best move is to trade the Number One pick to some place Williams really wants to be. Bears could get a big haul for this guy who so many believe will the next great generational quarterback. The guy has already done some amazing things.
It would take guts to trade this Number One pick. Don’t know if the Bears have that in them. But if the Bears do take him then it’s still a big risk because his success in a Bear uniform is not guaranteed.
Fields still has to be moved. His day is over. But the Bears could center more on their next leader who really and truly wants to be here.
Fields came from a winning program to a losing one and could not turn it around. Buyer beware.
Maybe he can be the savior that Bears fans are hoping he can be and break the long Bears pattern of failure. But this is a guy who played at Oklahoma and USC... both legacy football royalty programs. Going to a place with a losing culture could ruin him.
Maybe he’ll say all the right things if and when he is drafted by the Bears. But as unpopular a move as it might be... perhaps the Bears best move is to trade the Number One pick to some place Williams really wants to be. Bears could get a big haul for this guy who so many believe will the next great generational quarterback. The guy has already done some amazing things.
It would take guts to trade this Number One pick. Don’t know if the Bears have that in them. But if the Bears do take him then it’s still a big risk because his success in a Bear uniform is not guaranteed.
Fields still has to be moved. His day is over. But the Bears could center more on their next leader who really and truly wants to be here.
Fields came from a winning program to a losing one and could not turn it around. Buyer beware.
Illiniaaron
- Geneseo, IL
It'll be interesting to see what the trade market is now for Fields. I don't think it's going to blow anyone's socks off.
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