Are you really going to get that big of a difference maker in a non recruiting role?
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
The two profiles that jump out to me in that role would be either a grizzled old coach who doesn't want the grind of the recruiting trail any more, or some NBA wonk-type who wouldn't be a strong recruiter but who has a lot of knowledge about ball.
HamerAnon is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on this board, but it's true that that role is an opportunity to bring in someone more qualified than him or Tyler.
I agree. I think the ideal situation for those spots would be older guys that aren't gunning for a promotion/HC gid. They would either be an excellent game planner/schematics guy that just doesn't want to deal with recruiting or someone great at developing skills.
Honestly you could even make an argument that if the guy was good enough a dedicated shooting coach work wonders for the guys you can get into the program and keep for 3-4 years.
Nobody really comes to mind that would be a slam dunk hire that would be interested in it(Obviously I would take Jay Wright but he's got a cushy gig and seems happy).
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
The idea basically is that you differentiate and specialize the roles as much as possible and throw resources at getting the best people at all of those specializations, with the challenge being management of a lot of different people doing a lot of different things toward a coherent common purpose.
Nick Saban 101.
It's clear BU is attempting something like this. I wish his 27 year old kid weren't guaranteed a plum role, but such is the quasi-feudal world of college sports I guess.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Agents are paid to not be subtle.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Yeah, I honestly suspect most people's issue here is that this is getting out in the "open" or whatever, and our pride gets bruised a bit and/or people start to unnecessarily worry. Again, our fan base was straight-up COCKY circa 2006, haha ... we still have way too much of the psyche we inherited from 2010-2019, IMO.
When the expanded coaching limits got announced, the first thing I thought of was to hire two Wayne McClain types who have decades of success and experience coaching. Find experienced HS coaches who win because of X's and O's and motivation since they don't get to pick their players.
Maybe you see a young guy who checks every box but if they've never coached before you never know how they will respond. And I think Big Ten schools can afford not to take risks on first timers.
With regards to Tyler, as much as I don't like the nepotism angle, he's basically been groomed for this his entire life. Just like a son taking over a family business, sometimes great success and sometimes the opposite.
Young folks understand the analytics and algorithms of the new era. The Wayne McClain types would still be judging the number of stars.
Am I missing something? I am pretty sure that his 27 year old kid was the guy behind our Top 5 KenPom offense!
If his kid was the guy behind the 80th ranked defense, I might be a little more understanding of this complaint!
I respectfully disagree…
It seems unfair to assume the savvier Wayne McClain types of the world wouldn’t/couldn’t adjust. Good smart coaches will do what they’ve always done…adapt. But the good ones are smart enough not to throw the baby out with the bath water, at the same time. Guys like McClain and Ron Felling were pragmatic & forward thinking enough to figure it out. They had seen plenty of change before.
It wasn’t THAT long ago that Mcclain helped Bruce get to the elite-8 @ K-State…so it’s not like we’re talking some old fossil from the Mesozoic either.( He wasn’t exactly Norman Dale or Patches O’Houlihan.)
Also, I think there is misguided idea that analytics are a methodology rather than a tool to better inform how you play. That’s a huge difference.
Analytics are better, smarter…more informed statistics. People are geared toward the “next big thing” that could change the world. Well, things do change but they’re more constants than people want to admit sometimes.
If the Celtics were running Zoom action in the 60s? What does that tell you?
A shuffle cut comes from the 50s. It’s been recycled, tweaked and renamed…then it’s fit into some D1 coaches DVD package somewhere…but it exists and it works.
Wayne McClain’s top 7 or 8 out of bounds plays would still work today. You can bet your butt they would. You might have to tweak couple things for coverages…but they’d work.
Tyler Underwood ain't Miles Smith.....I think that much is clear at this point!
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
I mean, if Tyler was as instrumental in the offensive scheming as some have let on here, then he's clearly not the problem. Given our offensive performance this past season I'd take him 10 times out of 10, coaches son or not.
It's public information now as well, not insider speculation either. Look at the Athletic article about our offensive philosophy change and you get a good idea of how much Tyler is involved in our offense. What impressed me the most is that he has the same propensity as his dad of switching things up on the fly if they aren't working or there could be improvements.
Any info on Jon Sanderson? If he will be moving on or if we can somehow keep him here long-term?
hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
that’s a home run for USC, right? if he could recruit 5* players to Arkansas, LA will be an easy sell
Lincoln Riley was a home run hire there… also had the top player in the country. not great results so far.
Because of all the factors around usc sports, basketball I think will be the same. They’ll get a lot of hype and high expectations but won’t really do a whole lot.
turnaround3
- 1st & Daniel
I'll continue to aggressively cross my fingers Tang doesn't leave KSU for Arkansas nor anywhere else.
I don't think Brad's going anywhere but I'd be hard pressed to imagine anywhere that would swing harder than K State and we can all pretend based on hopes and dreams that he wouldn't at least entertain it but living here in reality, like, of course he would. When home comes calling rarely does anyone simply let the phone ring.
I don't think Brad's going anywhere but I'd be hard pressed to imagine anywhere that would swing harder than K State and we can all pretend based on hopes and dreams that he wouldn't at least entertain it but living here in reality, like, of course he would. When home comes calling rarely does anyone simply let the phone ring.
He told them thanks but not thanks literally 2 seasons ago.
Musselman is a nomad. NBA HC, Nevada 4 years, Arkansas 5 years (two elite 8 and one sweet 16). Musselman has been successful at Nevada and Arkansas.
I suspect Enfield jumped before he was pushed. He was able to make USC respectable. Had one elite 8 in 12 years. JMO Musselman is good upgrade from Enfield but will probably only stay at USC till next opportunity (KY, Kansas, Indiana) comes along.
I suspect Enfield jumped before he was pushed. He was able to make USC respectable. Had one elite 8 in 12 years. JMO Musselman is good upgrade from Enfield but will probably only stay at USC till next opportunity (KY, Kansas, Indiana) comes along.
Indy will you be out in Arizona for the Final 4 ?
turnaround3
- 1st & Daniel
I remember.
The way my brain functions that just means if Tang (essentially, 2 years rather than 1) does to them what Brad did to OK State, KSU swings even harder this time. If you're them, why wouldn't you? No particular reason to believe there's any higher that they could realistically aim, and one could make the argument coming off an E8 run Brad could look at it with a "built it up and left it in a far better place than I found it" type angle.
Do I expect he'd do any of that? I don't. I just don't want to have to deal with even the possibility, personally. As long as Tang's there the possibility is at or adjacent to zero.
hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
you're probably right. regardless, I like to see 5* players and exciting teams in the B1G. Muss will bring in big time talent that we will get to see play in Champaign
Yeah, but since then he’s gotten a couple raises, made an elite eight, and sat himself up. Now’s the time to jump/s
Although his wife’s wallpaper on her cellphone is Brad in his kstate uniform….
Although his wife’s wallpaper on her cellphone is Brad in his kstate uniform….
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