Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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texillwek

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Fun Fact: It's been 40 years (1984) since Illinois and Kentucky have played against each other
Here's to another 40!

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Why, in God's green earth, would he even consider making the move? He's built an absolute powerhouse that even Kentucky can't compete with. He's a legend there. Why start over? Money? I can't imagine that a contract with UCONN is going to have him wondering where his next meal would be coming from.

To me, Kentucky is a downgrade to where he's currently at, but hey....maybe rebuilding historical powerhouses is a motivator?
he's an ego maniac. him and the Kentucky fanbase are a match made in heaven
 
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Give how much NIL and the portal have changed the landscape of pretty much everything, where the advantage that the blue blood name would have McD's All American's sprinting to get there....it doesn't matter anymore. Kentucky blue has been replaced by NIL green.

Cal faltered because having the #1 high school prep class, while important, it's far less important. His team of NBA freshmen were coming up against teams of Juniors, Seniors and Grad Students and it's not working anymore.

Look at the names that we're seeing pop up on the Final Fours and look at some of the seeds.

Taking the fan pressure of that job makes no sense of your current institution gives you a huge pot of NIL money.

Alabama got to a Final Four(and gave UCONN their most difficult game) using NINE TRANSFERS. NINE!!

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that UCONN's roster wasn't was littered with All Americans. Maybe Castle?

Kentucky is looking bad right now because those big names just don't carry as much weight.
 
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Hahahahahah man, these kinda statements crack me up just as much as the "with that being said..." portal ones.

You're a basketball coach making millions upon millions of dollars while being on TV and schmoozing boosters so you can get even more cash so people can root for kids wearing laundry that wins. Just admit that your wife likes her current gigantic house and your kids don't want to leave their friends at school.

I'd like to think the Almighty's probably got more on their mind than how high Baylor finishes in the BigXII standings.
 
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FWIW, these were the 25 highest paid coaches before the carousel took off, at least per USA Today. I'm using the "Total Pay" column.

1. Bill Self (Kansas): $9.7 million
2. John Calipari (Kentucky): $8.5 million
3. Tom Izzo (Michigan State): $6.2 million
4. Bruce Pearl (Auburn): $5.7 million
5. Rick Barnes (Tennessee): $5.7 million
6. Scott Drew (Baylor): $5.1 million
7. Dan Hurley (UConn): $5.0 million
8. Brad Underwood (Illinois): $4.7 million
9. Kelvin Sampson (Houston): $4.6 million
10. Nate Oats (Alabama): $4.5 million
11. Buzz Williams (Texas A&M): $4.5 million
12. Eric Musselman (Arkansas): $4.2 million
13. Mike Woodson (Indiana): $4.2 million
14. Mick Cronin (UCLA): $4.1 million
15. Tommy Lloyd (Arizona): $4.1 million
16. Tony Bennett (Virginia): $4.0 million
17. Dennis Gates (Missouri): $4.0 million
18. Dana Altman (Oregon): $4.0 million
19. Kevin Willard (Maryland): $4.0 million
20. Jamie Dixon (TCU): $3.8 million
21. Andy Enfield (USC): $3.8 million
22. Greg Gard (Wisconsin): $3.8 million
23. Juwan Howard (Michigan): $3.8 million
24. Matt Painter (Purdue): $3.7 million
25. Jeff Capel (Pitt): $3.6 million

Notes on some new hires:
- There were rumors that Kentucky offered Dan Hurly $11 million per year, which would easily be #1 in the nation ... that's nuts if true.
- John Calipari (Arkansas) will start at $7 million, which would be good for #3 on that list.
- Dusty May (Michigan) will start $3.6 million, which would be good for barely top 25.
- I cannot find a number for Eric Musselman (USC), but I doubt he took a pay cut below $4.2 million (#12 on the list).
- I also cannot find a number for Andy Enfield (SMU), but it looks like he made above $4.5 million at USC? USC doesn't release this type of data.

So...

I guess the question is, if it got to this point, how much would Kentucky offer Brad? And how high could we go to match? I highly doubt Brad gets the Hurly offer ... but does he get an offer of $6 million or more? That seems highly likely. Looking back, it looks like we gave him a 12% raise compared to what his previous contract would have had him making in 2024. Another 12% would put him in the $5.3 million. You'd think we'd be more than willing to get up to $6 million ... the question is how far we can battle up into $7 million and above.

Assuming Brad is happy enough at a job like Illinois with elite compensation, it becomes a really interesting question of where the "middle point" with Kentucky would be where (A) they wouldn't want to go much higher for Underwood and (B) Illinois could match.

Remember a year ago when all the Undy detractors were using his top 10 salary for their argument as to why he wasn't living up to exceptions? Looks like Josh really nailed it this year. :LOL:
 
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texillwek

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Hahahahahah man, these kinda statements crack me up just as much as the "with that being said..." portal ones.

You're a basketball coach making millions upon millions of dollars while being on TV and schmoozing boosters so you can get even more cash so people can root for kids wearing laundry that wins. Just admit that your wife likes her current gigantic house and your kids don't want to leave their friends at school.

I'd like to think the Almighty's probably got more on their mind than how high Baylor finishes in the BigXII standings.
I read that statement as a shout-out to his fan base. Waco is deep in the heart of Texas, if you catch my drift.
 
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Remember a year ago when all the Undy detractors were using his top 10 salary for their argument as to why he wasn't living up to exceptions? Looks like Josh really nailed it this year. :LOL:
There weren't a ton of them, but those that were, were sure loud about it.

The "hot seat" hot takes were obnoxious. We had a great year, but apparently it took winning one extra game for people to see that it was a great year? Trying to explain that was a fruitless effort.

A year later, the thought of BU being coveted by another team has created an element of panic.

One game did this.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Hahahahahah man, these kinda statements crack me up just as much as the "with that being said..." portal ones.

You're a basketball coach making millions upon millions of dollars while being on TV and schmoozing boosters so you can get even more cash so people can root for kids wearing laundry that wins. Just admit that your wife likes her current gigantic house and your kids don't want to leave their friends at school.

I'd like to think the Almighty's probably got more on their mind than how high Baylor finishes in the BigXII standings.
Meanwhile, in "The Only Honest Man In This Crooked Sport" Department:


Arkansas play-by-play announcer Chuck Barrett wasted little time hitting Calipari with the million dollar question. "How did this happen?" Barrett asked as he shared a stage with Calipari for a question and answer session. "Walk us through this."

"John Tyson," Calipari responded..."Whatever John Tyson would ask me to do, I'm doing it," Calipari said.
 
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TyinLex

Kentucky
My working theory on UK is that externally, Barnhart has to go after the big dogs, but internally, he really wants an Underwood-type program builder/stabilizer who can reset the culture.

If I was a betting man, my other theory is Barnhart retires within two years of whomever he hires.
 
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Hahahahahah man, these kinda statements crack me up just as much as the "with that being said..." portal ones.

You're a basketball coach making millions upon millions of dollars while being on TV and schmoozing boosters so you can get even more cash so people can root for kids wearing laundry that wins. Just admit that your wife likes her current gigantic house and your kids don't want to leave their friends at school.

I'd like to think the Almighty's probably got more on their mind than how high Baylor finishes in the BigXII standings.
Nailed it. He’s coming off pretty tone deaf.
I definitely see how he gets that Wooden-esque, phony…goody-goody rep.
 
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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
Hahahahahah man, these kinda statements crack me up just as much as the "with that being said..." portal ones.

You're a basketball coach making millions upon millions of dollars while being on TV and schmoozing boosters so you can get even more cash so people can root for kids wearing laundry that wins. Just admit that your wife likes her current gigantic house and your kids don't want to leave their friends at school.

I'd like to think the Almighty's probably got more on their mind than how high Baylor finishes in the BigXII standings.
The statement doesn't bother me in the slightest. Baylor is a private Christian university, so the spin is appropriate in my opinion. We are not the target audience.
 
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I hope this gets to a point where Kentucky has to call Cuonzo. Maybe Howard. Or Kevin Willard
Now you’re talkin’! lol. These are great times indeed.

I hope the indecision continues for a little longer at least. Then the names get more whittled down…and they whiff a couple more times on 2nd & 3rd tier guys and it’s send in the scabs like you said…lol.

*I wanna see all 3 of ‘em on the same staff. (We’re talking irrevocable harm to the Commonwealth.)
 
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