ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Coaching Carousel (Basketball)
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DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Fun fact from ESPN today (perhaps already mentioned here earlier):
Amazingly, only 7 active coaches in the NCAA have won the national championship in basketball. Kentucky has its fingerprints all over 4 of them. And you would think that perhaps four of those same seven may be contemplating retirement over the next five years. It certainly is a short list, and sort of makes you appreciate Underwood even more.
* Bill Self
* Scott Drew
* Tony Bennett
* Rick Pitino
* John Calipari
* Tom Izzo
* Dan Hurley
Amazingly, only 7 active coaches in the NCAA have won the national championship in basketball. Kentucky has its fingerprints all over 4 of them. And you would think that perhaps four of those same seven may be contemplating retirement over the next five years. It certainly is a short list, and sort of makes you appreciate Underwood even more.
* Bill Self
* Scott Drew
* Tony Bennett
* Rick Pitino
* John Calipari
* Tom Izzo
* Dan Hurley
Was going to say something similar.
I can see Hurley concocting narratives in his head that in order to be truly revered he needs to show he can do what he's done at multiple stops.
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
The biggest difference is that Golden has two full seasons of coaching in the SEC, in addition to 3 seasons in the WCC. While Groce had a longer coaching history (when including years as an assistant), and 4 years as head coach in MAC, I believe that two seasons in the SEC trumps Groce's resume (pre-Illinois) by a fairly significant margin (especially if you were interested in infusing youth into the program).
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Great news would be a change in ownership of both of JR's franchises.
The FO is not changing. Great news would be a change to the ownership group.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
He's claimed a few big scalps in proper major conference basketball at Florida, that's something Groce didn't have (though he did have a couple of big tourney upsets over good teams).
But he went 23-22 in three years in the WCC, 0-8 against Gonzaga and St. Mary's including WCCT. And now 20-16 at a perfectly fine Florida situation, that's no ground-up rebuild.
What I want to see in a coaching resume is sustained dominance over your peers, plus ideally some genuine excellence on a substantive basketball level.
Golden has neither.
We also have to remember that if Ball somehow makes it back on the court for next season, that Bulls roster and bench depth looks a lot more better than it did even when this roster was constructed a few yrs ago. Donovan might want one more year with this group with a healthy LaVine, healthier Ball, and more improved White/Dosunmu
And it’s been 39 years since a team played a ncaa game on their home court. And this game is why.
Todd Golden may be a great young coach but he has never won a NCAA tournament game. Not even close to accomplished enough take over a blue blood like KY
Next in line to turn KY down..
--Nate Oates (already publically stated he is staying at Bama, 49 years old)
--Rick Pitino (NCAA champion, multiple final 4's, KY legend., actually would probably say yes but he is 71 years old)
-- Tommy Lloyd (has 2 sweet 16's in 3 years at AZ, 49 years old)
-- TJ Otzenburger (defense first style, two sweet 16's at ISU in 3 years, 46 years old )
-- Brad (one elite 8 in 7 years, 60 years old)
-- Sean Miller ( 5 elite 8s, 3 sweet 16s. 55 years old)
Next in line to turn KY down..
--Nate Oates (already publically stated he is staying at Bama, 49 years old)
--Rick Pitino (NCAA champion, multiple final 4's, KY legend., actually would probably say yes but he is 71 years old)
-- Tommy Lloyd (has 2 sweet 16's in 3 years at AZ, 49 years old)
-- TJ Otzenburger (defense first style, two sweet 16's at ISU in 3 years, 46 years old )
-- Brad (one elite 8 in 7 years, 60 years old)
-- Sean Miller ( 5 elite 8s, 3 sweet 16s. 55 years old)
With Scott Drew off board, 6 Kentucky basketball coaching candidates for Cats to consider
With Baylor's Scott Drew reportedly passing on the Kentucky basketball job, here are six Kentucky coaching candidates who could succeed John Calipari.
www.courier-journal.com
How much is enough? It seems that at a certain age where health becomes a consideration surely someone can live on 2- 5 million dollars. Underwood is in a situation I think where he has the AD's ear. He is protected from himself (mostly). I have heard him say something about high blood pressure which at age 60 he is susceptible to. He has lost weight, but is 2 million dollars when you do not really need it worth a heart attack? So Underwood has shown progress in a place that is not too much pressure relatively speaking. Perhaps he just needs to recruit those big men like Painter does.
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
This is completely your judgment call on his coaching abilities and what you would want in a coach, and that is fine. I am not necessarily suggesting Kentucky should hire Golden, but I also do not think it would be the worst choice either.
However, claiming that Golden's resume is similar to that of Groce's when Illinois hired him, is my extreme issue. Having two full seasons coaching in a major conference is the key differentiator. That is experience that John Groce did not have coming into Illinois, and it showed through recruiting. For that reason, IMO, Golden and Groce should not be used in the same sentence when comparing resumes.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Your point stands, but this is 95% of all P4 college head bball and fball coaches.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
The FO is not changing. Great news would be a change to the ownership group.
100% agree. Billy D might have 0% of the Bulls blame.
Also, at this point I’m sure Underwood has a big ole house that’s paid for. After that you can’t spend the type of money he makes in Champaign. Sure he’s built a very nice nest egg that continues to compound etc.
Not saying Lexington is Manhattan (the real one, not Kansas), but if Brad sticks it out here until he retires he will likely have more money that he can spend and will leave nice chunks to each of his kids. Not sure you need any more money than that.
This!. My daughter toured there during their annual big recruitment day. I thought I knew what Baylor was but that day really opened my eyes. Then they showed me the tuition $ and off to a state school we went.
Enfield got 3.8M in 2022 according to USC tax forms. (How these make it to the web, I do not know.)
If Musselman was making 4.2M at AK, he'll need to get at least 5M at USC to balance the tax difference from AK to CA (state income, property). Houses near USC aren't as pricey as I expected: $1.5-3M (3M is a nicely finished 3500-4000sqft house).
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Sure, if those two seasons are good.
Golden’s record through two seasons at Florida is almost exactly the same as Groce’s through two seasons at Illinois. And Golden did less at USF than Groce did at Ohio.
I acknowledge that Golden not faceplanting at Florida is an important analytical point. But then Groce didn’t either.
I click on a guy’s Wikipedia page and want to know first and foremost, conference record and has this guy had a really great team.
For 2012 Groce and 2024 Golden it’s “meh” and “no”.
Go look at Pat Kelsey’s page.
OrangeBlue98
- Des Moines, IA
I do agree with your point about Groce vs Golden. If Illinois had to search for a new coach tomorrow (hope that doesn’t happen!!), Golden would be a bit of a reach/“not quite ready” option. I think he could grow into the role like Josh Whitman has grown into the AD role, but it wouldn’t be my ideal first choice.
Now 2-3 years from now with progression building on this year at Florida? He’d absolutely be worth a look if Underwood retired in that time frame.
We will see probably have a riot here if we hire Golden.
Chip Gaines slammed for 'tone deaf' money comments as he battles critics on social media
Former HGTV star Chip Gaines was slammed online for his commentary about money and faith in regards to college basketball.
www.foxnews.com
His post makes sense when you his biggest boosters think the same thing
Illini4Chief
- TENNESSEE
Cant see BU takin Kentucky.....60 years old....can't see KU selecting anyone with just a few years of coaching left.....I would think they would be more interested in longer term coach, program builder,etc.
John freakin Groce. Nuf said!
To paraphrase the late, "great " Jerry Krause.UK has the most delusional fans on the planet ... I also never trusted Mitch to get his top target when Cal eventually left or was fired ...
Lot of coaches are not big fans of that dude ...
Mitch and Brad would probably not get along ... And that MATTERS ...
People can talk about facilities, NIL and all this other stuff ... Brad's relationship with Josh is the MOST important thing that we have to offer ...
Coaches win games ... Administration wins championships ... PERIOD ...
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You know what? Yes! I love this hot take. THAT would get me to check out the NBA instead of only watching Ayo.
And I am well under 35.
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