Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

FreshlySqueezed said:

I'm not sure what your point is with any of this?

Job descriptions changed significantly. The why (more fair for the players) is irrelevant. Coaches need not sit silent about drastic changes to their jobs, and honestly, to their lives.

The current situation is not sustainable. Everyone knows that. But yeah, let's harp on the coach who is in his 70s and retires and give a pass to Skyy f'n Clark and his family.

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1. I don't think anyone has given Skyy Clark a pass on this board.

2. Skyy Clark has pretty much never said anything negative about his coaches or the program on his way out or subsequently. In fact he's said many positive things since.

3. It's fine for coaches to complain about changes, but that means we should also be able point out the financial reasons why they would be be complaining.

4. I agree the current situation is not ideal, but the prior situation was worse. And the solution is likely to be even more unwelcome by many coaches, because it could well mean less power and money in their pockets. And honestly, stop with the "unsustainable." Probably far more sustainable than a situation in which players were generating millions of dollars for others and not allowed to be paid at all. Now THAT was unsustainable.

Leonard Hamilton getting sued by players for not being paid their promised NIL.

the juiceman cometh said:

1. I don't think anyone has given Skyy Clark a pass on this board.

2. Skyy Clark has pretty much never said anything negative about his coaches or the program on his way out or subsequently. In fact he's said many positive things since.

3. It's fine for coaches to complain about changes, but that means we should also be able point out the financial reasons why they would be be complaining.

4. I agree the current situation is not ideal, but the prior situation was worse. And the solution is likely to be even more unwelcome by many coaches, because it could well mean less power and money in their pockets. And honestly, stop with the "unsustainable." Probably far more sustainable than a situation in which players were generating millions of dollars for others and not allowed to be paid at all. Now THAT was unsustainable.

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#2 What Skyy Clark did was significantly worse than anything Larranaga or any coach does or did, in relation to NIL. He quit on his team mid-season AND still got paid. And he never even gave an explanation why he left.

#4 Except the prior situation was sustainable for decades. The current situation would put an end to college athletics if it continues, so yes, it's unsustainable. The players who were generating the millions of dollars around them were getting paid under the prior system - let's not kid ourselves. Larranaga isn't retiring because the swim team kid can make a few bucks off his NI&L. He's retiring because his job description changed and working with a dozen players on one year contracts seems pretty damn miserable. If every single player in the NBA was on a one-year contract AND no GM, so all of the player development, recruitment, retention, etc. fell on the head coach and he had to not only deal with the players but their moms and dads and agents and whatnot, you'd have a lot of pissed off NBA coaches too. Do I feel bad for the coaches? Absolutely not. But I have zero problem with them voicing their frustration with the current system when it was changed on them overnight without any real regulation or oversight.

FreshlySqueezed said:

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#2 What Skyy Clark did was significantly worse than anything Larranaga or any coach does or did, in relation to NIL. He quit on his team mid-season AND still got paid. Do coaches who retire still get to receive the remainder of their annual salary?

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Larranaga is not being criticized for retiring, but for his hypocritical critiques of players on his way out the door.

FreshlySqueezed said:

#4 Except the prior situation was sustainable for decades. The current situation would put an end to college athletics if it continues, so yes, it's unsustainable. The players who were generating the millions of dollars around them were getting paid under the prior system - let's not kid ourselves. Larranaga isn't retiring because the swim team kid can make a few bucks off his NI&L. He's retiring because his job description changed and working with a dozen players on one year contracts seems pretty damn miserable. If every single player in the NBA was on a one-year contract AND no GM, so all of the player development, recruitment, retention, etc. fell on the head coach and he had to not only deal with the players but their moms and dads and agents and whatnot, you'd have a lot of pissed off NBA coaches too. Do I feel bad for the coaches? Absolutely not. But I have zero problem with them voicing their frustration with the current system when it was changed on them overnight without any real regulation or oversight.

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The prior situation was literally unsustainable in that it was indeed unable to be sustained and was ended by the courts. That's why it's gone.

Please explain how the current situation would "put an end to college athletics." I've seen no evidence to support that bold conclusion.

There are posts talking about how he is abandoning his players. You can go back and read them for yourself.

There are numerous paths where the current situation leads to the end of college athletics as we know it. And that's why the current situation will not continue in perpetuity and they are working on figuring out a better path forward. We have a lawsuit against a coach now. We have Duke promising a mediocre quarterback $8 million. Use your imagination. It's really not hard to see.