Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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abchew2
It has been an up and down season which is very much reflected here. I just have trouble following the rationale of people looking to cut Underwood after his most successful NCAA tournament run ever when the year before all the talk was can he get to the second weekend. He did that, including an upset of a very strong 2 seed last year. No one loves blowout losses but this talk seems crazy to me at this moment in time. I’m more interested in seeing what talk there is about potential assistants that could be targeted.
 
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PepeSilvia
Indy Illini Fan said:
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Is that Ali Farokmanesh of Northern Iowa fame?
 
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FrankNitty30
PasadenaIllini said:
You left out that he's one of the top ten highest paid coaches in the country: top 10. You also left out that he has some of the best facilities to use to recruit players and assistant coaches to our program and to get his teams ready to play championship level basketball.

Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry of a basketball program offers all of these things to its coach. In return for this creme de la creme of a situation the U of I has given Brad, SOME of our fanbase, including me, expect at least a top sixteen performance yearly and yearly contention for conference titles. While it seems that many here believe that Brad is put-upon for receiving these sorts of expectations from fans like me, others of us believe that this is a reasonable return to expect for the investment our university and alumni have made in our basketball program.
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Once again, your expectations are unrealistic.

What do we do now?
 
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band camp
PasadenaIllini said:
You left out that he's one of the top ten highest paid coaches in the country: top 10. You also left out that he has some of the best facilities to use to recruit players and assistant coaches to our program and to get his teams ready to play championship level basketball.

Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry of a basketball program offers all of these things to its coach. In return for this creme de la creme of a situation the U of I has given Brad, SOME of our fanbase, including me, expect at least a top sixteen performance yearly and yearly contention for conference titles. While it seems that many here believe that Brad is put-upon for receiving these sorts of expectations from fans like me, others of us believe that this is a reasonable return to expect for the investment our university and alumni have made in our basketball program.
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You think it's just alumni who donate?
 
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OrangeBlue98
FrankNitty30 said:
Once again, your expectations are unrealistic.

What do we do now?
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So what should our expectations be? Consistently contending for conference championships and the second weekend isn't realistic?

This isn't the Guenther years, where being above .500 and not getting in NCAA trouble were the biggest expectations.
 
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PasadenaIllini
FrankNitty30 said:
Once again, your expectations are unrealistic.

What do we do now?
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We insist that TU and Hamer find employment elsewhere. We use our ample funding to hire top level assistants who know what they're doing. Not family members learning on the job. Not NBA errand boys. We plan our recruiting better so that we have more than one guy who can defend post players with any heft down low. We focus on the transfer portal so that we don't wind up with a team with so much youth. This is for starters.
 
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the juiceman cometh
PasadenaIllini said:
You left out that he's one of the top ten highest paid coaches in the country: top 10. You also left out that he has some of the best facilities to use to recruit players and assistant coaches to our program and to get his teams ready to play championship level basketball.

Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry of a basketball program offers all of these things to its coach. In return for this creme de la creme of a situation the U of I has given Brad, SOME of our fanbase, including me, expect at least a top sixteen performance yearly and yearly contention for conference titles. While it seems that many here believe that Brad is put-upon for receiving these sorts of expectations from fans like me, others of us believe that this is a reasonable return to expect for the investment our university and alumni have made in our basketball program.
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I'll just come out and say it, your expectations are unreasonable. Who are the coaches that are making the Sweet Sixteen every single year? Answer: Mark Few and Kelvin Sampson. That's the whole list. We hiring one of them?

There are good coaches out there that could be hired. Not a one of them is a guarantee to be better than BU and very few have the track record to think that's even a possibility.

And I really don't understand the argument that the winningest coach in the Big Ten over the last 5-6 years is failing to deliver top-10 results. Who are the 10 coaches that have been better than him in that span, and which one of them do you think Illinois could hire this offseason?
 
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nmillini
the juiceman cometh said:
I'll just come out and say it, your expectations are unreasonable. Who are the coaches that are making the Sweet Sixteen every single year? Answer: Mark Few and Kelvin Sampson. That's the whole list. We hiring one of them?

There are good coaches out there that could be hired. Not a one of them is a guarantee to be better than BU and very few have the track record to think that's even a possibility.

And I really don't understand the argument that the winningest coach in the Big Ten over the last 5-6 years is failing to deliver top-10 results. Who are the 10 coaches that have been better than him in that span, and which one of them do you think Illinois could hire this offseason?
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It's okay to have high expectations, but not okay to be a crybaby when not completely met.
 
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OrangeBlue98
thefalcon5 said:
I think he’s done an excellent job but he’s been there 12 years, if NW was going to become anything more than a bubble watch team yearly he had his time to prove that.
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This is where I am with Collins as well. I think he's done all he can do at Northwestern. The program just is not going to be much more than what he's made it. If he's looking for a place where he can be challenged and have a reasonable chance to succeed. Villanova is right up there.

Vanderbilt is a good parallel case. We are raving about the work Byington has done there this season, and with good reason. But Vanderbilt was the 13th seed in the SEC tournament and will be a 9 or 10 seed in the NCAA tournament. NW is in the same situation.
 
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PasadenaIllini
the juiceman cometh said:
I'll just come out and say it, your expectations are unreasonable. Who are the coaches that are making the Sweet Sixteen every single year? Answer: Mark Few and Kelvin Sampson. That's the whole list. We hiring one of them?

There are good coaches out there that could be hired. Not a one of them is a guarantee to be better than BU and very few have the track record to think that's even a possibility.

And I really don't understand the argument that the winningest coach in the Big Ten over the last 5-6 years is failing to deliver top-10 results. Who are the 10 coaches that have been better than him in that span, and which one of them do you think Illinois could hire this offseason?
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Where did you read that I want to fire Brad?
 
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The Sprouting Divot
the juiceman cometh said:
I'll just come out and say it, your expectations are unreasonable. Who are the coaches that are making the Sweet Sixteen every single year? Answer: Mark Few and Kelvin Sampson. That's the whole list. We hiring one of them?
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How about reaching the S16 more than half the time? Is that a reasonable expectation?

Setting aside the rebuilding and C19 seasons, he's currently at 25% with a #1, #4, #9, and #3 seed. Failed to perform to seeding 75%.

Tournament results aren't the only thing that matters, but I don't agree that what we've seen so far is a "reasonable" level of expectation.
 
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the juiceman cometh
The Sprouting Divot said:
How about reaching the S16 more than half the time? Is that a reasonable expectation?

Setting aside the rebuilding and C19 seasons, he's currently at 25% with a #1, #4, #9, and #3 seed. Failed to perform to seeding 75%.

Tournament results aren't the only thing that matters, but I don't agree that what we've seen so far is a "reasonable" level of expectation.
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Yet this argument always boils down solely to tournament results, because he's overperformed this "top-10" expectation in every way other.

And again its one thing to say "BU should be doing better" but I haven't seen anyone actually suggest a coach who has done better and would be available to replace him if he left.
 
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Indy Illini Fan
BfosterL said:
Trust me, I have been waiting 45 plus years for a NC and want that as much as anyone here. No coach that you hire can guarantee that you will get a NC. BU has given Illinois what you want, getting to the tourney every year to give it a shot.

Not sure where you see a correlation to each year you don't win the NC means your odds go down the next year.
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I expect more than 1 second weekend run in 8 years …
 
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NarrowJ
The Sprouting Divot said:
How about reaching the S16 more than half the time? Is that a reasonable expectation?
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I believe Coach K and Tom Izzo are the only modern era coaches to accomplish this (outside of there might be a couple current coaches who have been at high majors for 2 seasons and made 1 sweet 16, for example)

So... its probably not reasonable

at all

idk
 
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BashCtIllini
rbse said:
wonder how many times Indiana has kicked themselves in the !!! for dumping Kelvin Sampson?
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Did they have a choice? If I remember correctly, he was chair of the rules committee and got caught cheating. Very bad look in those days to just look the other way.
 
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