Coaching Carousel (Football)

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Battle89
TentakilRex said:
Crazy if true, big if btw

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977457148826161253

Then again, navy and orange Adidas shoes would be sweet. Love the of my navy and silver Duramos.
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I'm usually the first one here to make the economic arguments, to downplay emotional feelings as the dollar drives all. But this stinks even for me, shoe companies stepping in to get coaches fired.

Helps, I suppose, that PSU was likely going to do it anyway, but still feels like a bad Hollywood script to me.

Edit: 'liked' the later post that said this was BS and hope that second one was true.
 
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#577      
Gbop
It just kills me to see Indiana have this sort of success.
 
#578      
Pikeillinifan
I would be shocked if Penn State could lure Cigs. Perhaps if Cigs hates the AD or leadership at Indiana, or NIL funds are not where they need to be - and I don't think any of those are the case at IU.

Why leave a place where he is already playing better than arguably any team in college football, a place he built from a perennial bottom-feeder (in football) where he can leave his legacy? Unless Penn State gives him some ungodly amount of money that can take care of his family for generations, there is absolutely no reason to leave IU. I would bet IU can compete at some level with whatever $ PSU can throw at him.

He can be IU's Bear Brant or Nick Saban—why go to Penn State, where they have won at the highest level, and you're just the next guy who can do it? It would make no sense for him unless he feels there are resources he cannot get at IU that will prevent him from competing at the level they are.
 
#580      
mhuml32
This is wild to comprehend, but isn't the Indiana job a better situation right now than Penn State? IU is giving Ciggy everything he wants, their athletic department revenue and booster support is above Penn State. Better location. Ciggy has zero pressure.
 
#581      
mattcoldagelli
mhuml32 said:
This is wild to comprehend, but isn't the Indiana job a better situation right now than Penn State? IU is giving Ciggy everything he wants, their athletic department revenue and booster support is above Penn State. Better location. Ciggy has zero pressure.
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This is the reality of the new era of CFB - when you unplug tradition and fanbase passion as being the primary driver of resources for players and coaches (read: muh BOOSTERS), the traditional powers don't just have less of an advantage....those things have the potential to become a negative for those schools.
 
#582      
ptgrd23
pSu could offer $15m/yr. $nil could be much higher. Privaete jwt for recruiting. Unlimited ice cream from yhe dairy🥹He is from PA. Nobody knows bit Cig
 
#583      
fuddrules
mhuml32 said:
This is wild to comprehend, but isn't the Indiana job a better situation right now than Penn State? IU is giving Ciggy everything he wants, their athletic department revenue and booster support is above Penn State. Better location. Ciggy has zero pressure.
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For many, probably. While I know the difference between 8 million and 12 million is 4 million, the reality, I think a number of these coaches really want to be appreciated. Franklin wasn't. Pay at Illinois and Indiana is very good. Not the best but very good.

I know BB loves seeing Memorial Stadium packed with passionate loud fans. I know he loves walking out of Memorial Stadium after a victory and looking up seeing passionate fans in the ramps to the upper decks cheering for the team. More than anyone, he is responsible for that passion. I hope our fans continue with that type of support.

Cignasti is loved in Indiana. He should be, he's very good. That means a lot.

Nothing wrong with Illinois and Indiana being the new Michigan and Penn State (as far as success).
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand
In addition to some of the names already mentioned on here (Rhule, Cignetti, Campbell), Rittenberg also mentioned Manny Diaz and Dan Mullen as candidates for the Penn State job.
 
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Curbelo Fanboy
I'm sure IU is investing more in football than ever before. However, every time they open the gates IU has 52k (or so) & PSU is 110k. So essentially double the revenue at every home game. They will have the resources to at least make Cignetti say no should they decide to pursue him.
 
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mhuml32
Curbelo Fanboy said:
I'm sure IU is investing more in football than ever before. However, every time they open the gates IU has 52k (or so) & PSU is 110k. So essentially double the revenue at every home game. They will have the resources to at least make Cignetti say no should they decide to pursue him.
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Ticket sales are one thing. Donors are another. SMU had ~10k people attend their game this past week and no one is questioning their financial might. Indiana can match anything Penn State could financially offer to Ciggy. The roadblock is IU basketball within House parameters. Penn State doesn't have the same "issue". But Ciggy has no pressure at Indiana. He doesn't need Penn State to achieve what he already has at Indiana.
 
#587      
mhuml32
This year's carousel is going to be a litmus test for the influence of traditional powers and the opportunity to "go home". Will people sacrifice excellent situations in their current job for taking on a more difficult job that puts you geographically where you want to live?

Taking a job like Arkansas means you are 90% chance of being fired in 3-6 years and having to move again. It's a job that's gotten increasingly harder in the 21st century and there isn't a logical path to being a conference contender but the fans have those expectations. But if you're from Arkansas, the 10% chance of success could mean a lot more to someone like Lashlee than the safety of staying at SMU.
 
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therealmiket86
mhuml32 said:
Ticket sales are one thing. Donors are another. SMU had ~10k people attend their game this past week and no one is questioning their financial might. Indiana can match anything Penn State could financially offer to Ciggy. The roadblock is IU basketball within House parameters. Penn State doesn't have the same "issue". But Ciggy has no pressure at Indiana. He doesn't need Penn State to achieve what he already has at Indiana.
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He’s already making almost what Franklin was. They would have to offer him something like 12 million a year
 
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Curbelo Fanboy
mhuml32 said:
Ticket sales are one thing. Donors are another. SMU had ~10k people attend their game this past week and no one is questioning their financial might. Indiana can match anything Penn State could financially offer to Ciggy. The roadblock is IU basketball within House parameters. Penn State doesn't have the same "issue". But Ciggy has no pressure at Indiana. He doesn't need Penn State to achieve what he already has at Indiana.
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Yes - part of my underlying thought is IU hoops. I'm sure they love what's going on with football, but at the end of the day, if you polled a 1,000 IU backers at least 75% would say basketball is the most important sport. At some point there could be a clash of resources where hoops take priority.
 
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OrangeBlue98
the juiceman cometh said:
Yeah that's the thing. What can Penn St. actually offer him? He already has a national championship contender at Indiana - he doesn't need the Penn St. brand name for that. The last two guys I can think of who had this much success at a place and left thinking they could win more easily somewhere else were DeBoer and Kelly. Neither has gotten as close as they did with Washington or ND.

Meanwhile Penn St. already has a Joe Paterno, and Alabama already has a Bear Bryant and a Nick Saban. Cignetti can be Indiana's Paterno/Bryant. That's what Indiana can offer him that Penn St. can't.
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Not really responding to you in particular, just the general commentary related to Cignetti.

As with anything in life, this will eventually come down to 1) whether Cignetti's good with the money he's making now and 2) whether someone comes to Cignetti with a financial offer that he simply cannot say no to. I get it - he's giving the college football establishment an enormous middle finger, and I think he's enjoying it. He may very well look at the money he's making at Indiana and say that the combination of the money and the middle finger he's taking great fun in waving is enough for him. But, I have to imagine there's a dollar figure that he has told his agent "you hear this number, and let's talk".

But if he's already past that number, good for him. There actually can be something in life besides "keep making more money".
 
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the juiceman cometh
Curbelo Fanboy said:
Yes - part of my underlying thought is IU hoops. I'm sure they love what's going on with football, but at the end of the day, if you polled a 1,000 IU backers at least 75% would say basketball is the most important sport. At some point there could be a clash of resources where hoops take priority.
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I genuinely don't think this is true right now. I think IU is so drunk on football at the moment you'd get 90% or more in that direction.
 
#592      
the juiceman cometh
OrangeBlue98 said:
Not really responding to you in particular, just the general commentary related to Cignetti.

As with anything in life, this will eventually come down to 1) whether Cignetti's good with the money he's making now and 2) whether someone comes to Cignetti with a financial offer that he simply cannot say no to. I get it - he's giving the college football establishment an enormous middle finger, and I think he's enjoying it. He may very well look at the money he's making at Indiana and say that the combination of the money and the middle finger he's taking great fun in waving is enough for him. But, I have to imagine there's a dollar figure that he has told his agent "you hear this number, and let's talk".

But if he's already past that number, good for him. There actually can be something in life besides "keep making more money".
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This will not come down to money because IU will match any number Penn St. can come up with. I don't understand why anyone would think otherwise. For PSU Cig may be the difference between a good program and a national championship. For Indiana, Cig is the difference between being a football powerhouse or a return to complete irrelevance in the one major revenue generator among college sports. There is no amount of money that would not be worth it for IU to retain Cig.
 
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Mr. Tibbs
therealmiket86 said:
He’s already making almost what Franklin was. They would have to offer him something like 12 million a year
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an offer of 12-15 million for Cig would be expected, imo, if they really want him
 
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#596      
TentakilRex
Cignetti has $56.7 million buyout which is a bit ironic for Penn State
 
#599      
Battle89
fuddrules said:
For many, probably. While I know the difference between 8 million and 12 million is 4 million, the reality, I think a number of these coaches really want to be appreciated. Franklin wasn't. Pay at Illinois and Indiana is very good. Not the best but very good.

I know BB loves seeing Memorial Stadium packed with passionate loud fans. I know he loves walking out of Memorial Stadium after a victory and looking up seeing passionate fans in the ramps to the upper decks cheering for the team. More than anyone, he is responsible for that passion. I hope our fans continue with that type of support.

Cignetti is loved in Indiana. He should be, he's very good. That means a lot.

Nothing wrong with Illinois and Indiana being the new Michigan and Penn State (as far as success).
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I'm a bit torn.

I desperately want the Big Ten to be the premier conference now and in the future, and to collectively take the SEC to the woodshed, much as we did to South Carolina last year. And historically Penn State has been a big part of the B1G's strength and could help accomplish that.

But intra-conference, it's been a lot of years since Paterno and I really wouldn't mind them going the Nebraska / post-Osbourne route for a couple decades. But just to replace Nittany Lion entitlement with Hoosier arrogance hurts.

However it shakes out, let's just make sure Bret is here for a very long time.
 
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