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Yost
That’s a highly lawyered statement that was likely approved by Fitz as part of this settlement, and means nothing except that he was a complete moron about the horrific hazing that occurred at the program he ran.
 
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Kendall Gill’s Uncle
Qwiksilvur said:
“The University has taken action to ensure hazing will not occur again.”

This pretty clearly states hazing did indeed occur when Fitzgerald ran that football program, and based on what those hazing accusations were it was pretty awful.

So, he either was aware of the hazing and did nothing. Or wasn’t aware of it and was therefore incompetent.

Idk…maybe now that we have a good football program we shouldn’t tarnish it unnecessarily.
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Let’s be honest here, people deserve second chances. I’m sure everyone on this board has gotten a couple over the course of their lives.

Hazing, while I do not promote it, was a cultural norm-ish in society/sports for a long time, and probably still is in fraternities/sororities.

I’m pretty sure Brett & Josh can bring a guy in and let him coach our players without him secretly hazing them and tarnishing our program that has just gotten decent.
 
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Kendall Gill’s Uncle
whatahack said:
Experts(?) in StL think drink is heading to LSU...I don't think Baton Rouge would be happy about that nor should they be
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I literally haven’t heard any experts in STL say this and if they have, they lose their expert card.

I’ve heard PSU mentioned more here, but the people I’ve heard mention can’t believe PSU would want him.
 
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Curbelo Fanboy
Centennial Illini said:
Twice in the last 3 weeks a St Louis tv station (KTVI a couple nights ago) have mentioned the Franklin factor. Drink is a great recruiter, entertaining and exciting but he can't win the big one despite good talent.

I think 3 years ago, Mizzou is trailing South Carolina by 3 in overtime. As the Missouri running back is about to cross the goal line for the victory, with virtually no contact he fumbles the ball into the endzone. It rolls out the side, Carolina ball, game over. Mizzou fans like him but wonder if he can really turn the corner with that program
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TBH Mizzou is a lot like us (admittedly with a better recent history). When do they ever seemingly turn the corner. Like in their game a few weeks ago against Bama. I watched that one on TV & just intuitively thought ahead of & during the game, these are just the kind of games that Mizzou doesn't win.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse
Kendall Gill’s Uncle said:
Let’s be honest here, people deserve second chances. I’m sure everyone on this board has gotten a couple over the course of their lives.

Hazing, while I do not promote it, was a cultural norm-ish in society/sports for a long time, and probably still is in fraternities/sororities.

I’m pretty sure Brett & Josh can bring a guy in and let him coach our players without him secretly hazing them and tarnishing our program that has just gotten decent.
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Well, the tarnishing of our program will be up to the media.

The good news is that if we hire Fitz, none of the news stories will talk about the hazing.
 
#437      
stevej64
And now I am starting to envision a PFG/AH co-Defensive Coordinator staff. Hmmmmm
 
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DeonThomas
the juiceman cometh said:
That statement says there was no evidence he condoned or directed the hazing. Fine.

How does this address the concern that he "had absolutely no clue as to what was happening under his watch within his program." If anything, it confirms it.
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OLD SCHOOL OPINION:
Having personally tolerated a 7-day fraternity initiation (hell week), I don't really weigh "hazing" quite the same way I do a DC allowing 30+ ppg.

I trust Josh & Bret.
 
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RabidDawgClassic
Curbelo Fanboy said:
Fitz always struck me as a bit of a goof, but no one can say he isn't at least a good if not real good coach. If he's been cleared of wrongdoing, there is no reason for Illinois to be on their high horse about it. Somebody will pick him up & our luck is such that if someone else in the Big gets him he'd beat our !!! for a decade after that.

Frankly, with NIL, this is more of a bottom line business than ever before. And it's always had a bit of a dirty underbelly. No problem bringing guys in that can advance the program even if they have a few skeletons in the closet. Of course there is a line to draw, but if he was guilty of anything it may have been being too naive or not plugged into all the aspects of the program like he should have been. TBH these coaches have been conditioned to operate in a "don't ask, don't tell" mentality whether it came to paying players, enticing recruits, etc. Not too surprising that mentality would extend to other areas of a program that didn't directly involve on field performance. Is it pretty & neat, no, but it's the reality of the game.
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Again… he’s not been “cleared” of anything. A lawsuit was settled where no one admits guilt. You have to be extraordinarily naive — willfully so — to believe the head coach didn’t know what was happening in his own locker room.
 
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the juiceman cometh
DeonThomas said:
OLD SCHOOL OPINION:
Having personally tolerated a 7-day fraternity initiation (hell week), I don't really weigh "hazing" quite the same way I do a DC allowing 30+ ppg.

I trust Josh & Bret.
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I'm curious, have you read the particular hazing allegations in this case?

And even if you don't care about the hazing itself, surely you'd agree the fact that it exposed the university to millions of dollars of liability, from the dozens of former students who the university ultimately settled with, is a bad thing right?
 
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Dkayak
IlliniFanTX said:
That's Bret's older brother Billy Bielema. He's looking to come on staff as a nutrition consultant for $600k. ;)
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So, looking across the entire nation, Billy is objectively the most qualified “nutrition consultant” $600,000 will buy? :unsure:

Nepotism is a huge red flag. Didn’t Lovie teach us that? It undermines staff morale by creating suspicion that some hires can get by with weak performance due to family relationships . . . or even personal relationships, making it tougher to fire an underperforming DC who’s a very nice guy and long-time personal friend. Hire, promote and fire based on merit alone.

Sorry to be so negative here lately, but leadership requires a balance of relationship-building and occasional cold-hearted discipline to decisively deal with underperformance. Nepotism impairs the latter, setting you up for failure.
 
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BrownTown
Dkayak said:
So, looking across the entire nation, Billy is objectively the most qualified “nutrition consultant” $600,000 will buy? :unsure:

Nepotism is a huge red flag. Didn’t Lovie teach us that? It undermines staff morale by creating suspicion that some hires can get by with weak performance due to family relationships . . . or even personal relationships, making it tougher to fire an underperforming DC who’s a very nice guy and long-time personal friend. Hire, promote and fire based on merit alone.

Sorry to be so negative here lately, but leadership requires a balance of relationship-building and occasional cold-hearted discipline to decisively deal with underperformance. Nepotism impairs the latter, setting you up for failure.
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I've read this thrice....can't tell if you are being sarcastic and "in" on the joke or not...
 
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FGCUIllini
Indy Illini Fan said:
College Football GIF by Arkansas Razorbacks
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I have to admit I can’t make out who this is. Anyone willing to help a brother out?
 
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