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bluemountain
HensonHall71 said:
That's the odd thing though, the "success" at Toledo was 5-7, 8-5, 8-4 in three seasons, in the MAC, which shouldn't have screamed - "we need to get this guy".

Going back to the tweet - it's an interesting stat that a MAC team that finished 5-7 had 4 future head coaches on the Offensive staff. We obviously hired the worst of the bunch, by hiring the HC that couldn't win with that talent on the staff.
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No question that Beckmann was a clown and a bad hire. But a couple of contrarian points....

- One of, if not the, most important jobs of being a head coach is to hire and develop his assistants. In spite of his other flaws, he evidently has a talent in this area
- His record progressively improved over the time he was HC at Illinois, unlike his successor
- At G5 programs you can't look at the total record - the in conference record is a better indicator. Using this metric he went 14-2 his last 2 years at UT
- His on field performance was far from the worst we have had over the years - Lovie and Moeller were clearly worse coaches in this respect, and given the deterioration in the program during his tenure, Tepper was the worst of the lot
 
#354      
whatahack
altgeld88 said:
Yeah. The personnel decision is the most important one in any business. "A" people hire "A" people. "C" people hire the dregs.

Josh = A+ = Literally Bronze Tablet
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Undoubtedly Josh is great. What was he doing before becoming AD
 
#355      
Ander1345
bluemountain said:
No question that Beckmann was a clown and a bad hire. But a couple of contrarian points....

- One of, if not the, most important jobs of being a head coach is to hire and develop his assistants. In spite of his other flaws, he evidently has a talent in this area
- His record progressively improved over the time he was HC at Illinois, unlike his successor
- At G5 programs you can't look at the total record - the in conference record is a better indicator. Using this metric he went 14-2 his last 2 years at UT
- His on field performance was far from the worst we have had over the years - Lovie and Moeller were clearly worse coaches in this respect, and given the deterioration in the program during his tenure, Tepper was the worst of the lot
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He also took them back to winning after a point shaving scandal.
 
#362      
BalloonsTheElephant
Lovie may not have found on-field.success but he was exactly the right guy for the job. He instantly brought credibility, excitement, and was known as a player's coach who truly cared for his team. That was important coming off the lawsuits we had for player abuse.

He righted the ship and we came out better for it, even if he wasn't the guy at the helm when it all came together.
 
#363      
mhuml32
Does Lunney's increased chances of sticking around as OC mean that Bielema would be more willing to change the DC? It's not really the causation you want to see but there's value in not needing to hire two new coordinators and the ripples it would incur.
 
#364      
HensonHall71
bluemountain said:
No question that Beckmann was a clown and a bad hire. But a couple of contrarian points....

- One of, if not the, most important jobs of being a head coach is to hire and develop his assistants. In spite of his other flaws, he evidently has a talent in this area
- His record progressively improved over the time he was HC at Illinois, unlike his successor
- At G5 programs you can't look at the total record - the in conference record is a better indicator. Using this metric he went 14-2 his last 2 years at UT
- His on field performance was far from the worst we have had over the years - Lovie and Moeller were clearly worse coaches in this respect, and given the deterioration in the program during his tenure, Tepper was the worst of the lot
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In fairness we had just won two straight bowl games when Beckman took over - we fired Zook because just going to a bowl game was not good enough, then Beckman showed us what having a really bad coach can look like! Yes, he went to a bowl game and lost badly his last year, but it's not like he was bringing the program up from the cellar.
 
#365      
fuddrules
mhuml32 said:
Does Lunney's increased chances of sticking around as OC mean that Bielema would be more willing to change the DC? It's not really the causation you want to see but there's value in not needing to hire two new coordinators and the ripples it would incur.
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Logically, yes. Having a wholesale change all around could be tough on the program.

However, as a number of people have pointed out, I don't think Henry is going anywhere.

I do hope Illinois brings in a full time in-person seasoned veteran. Overpay him and give him some odd title. Whatever it takes but the defense needs a little something more.
 
#366      
Future Insider
I don’t believe Bret will replace AH. If you listened to the end of his press conference yesterday he let you see inside his soul. He is a true believer in people and also believes what he says when he says FAMILY.
 
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Ryllini
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#368      
illinoistradition
HensonHall71 said:
In fairness we had just won two straight bowl games when Beckman took over - we fired Zook because just going to a bowl game was not good enough, then Beckman showed us what having a really bad coach can look like! Yes, he went to a bowl game and lost badly his last year, but it's not like he was bringing the program up from the cellar.
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I do think people underestimate the fall in recruiting that Zook had those last few years. The juniors and seniors were fine, but the setup underneath that was pretty rough.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman
RE: The comparisons of PSU football potentially going the way of Nebraska, I find it interesting how there are so many more "historically elite" football programs than in basketball because of the NCAA Tournament ... at least IMO. Programs like Nebraska or PSU could live in their own little kingdoms, win enough games to get to a certain bowl and crown it a successful season to further pad their egos. Meanwhile, a #1 seed goes down in the Second Round of March Madness semi-regularly, and fans will not remember that squad as fondly as they should ... as we know all too well.

For all of its faults, conference realignment and NIL seem to have shattered the delusions of grandeur of some of these programs. With programs like Illinois seemingly mobilizing more money to pay coaches than they ever had in the past and the transfer portal / NIL somewhat leveling the playing field, I feel the appeal of going to a PSU and being under unrealistic pressure has lost SO much of its luster ... no matter how cool a White Out is.
 
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phats22
Fighter of the Nightman said:
RE: The comparisons of PSU football potentially going the way of Nebraska, I find it interesting how there are so many more "historically elite" football programs than in basketball because of the NCAA Tournament ... at least IMO. Programs like Nebraska or PSU could live in their own little kingdoms, win enough games to get to a certain bowl and crown it a successful season to further pad their egos. Meanwhile, a #1 seed goes down in the Second Round of March Madness semi-regularly, and fans will not remember that squad as fondly as they should ... as we know all too well.

For all of its faults, conference realignment and NIL seem to have shattered the delusions of grandeur of some of these programs. With programs like Illinois seemingly mobilizing more money to pay coaches than they ever had in the past and the transfer portal / NIL somewhat leveling the playing field, I feel the appeal of going to a PSU and being under unrealistic pressure has lost SO much of its luster ... no matter how cool a White Out is.
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I would also settle for White Out energy
 
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