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ptgrd23
DePaul had #1 seed multiple times under Ray Meyer but always got upset in big dance because they played a cupcake schedule as an independent. Once they joined the Big East they got exposed as pretender.
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Lot of NBA talent on those teams

1977 Dave Corzine
1978 Mark Aguirre
1979 Mark Aguirre Terry Cummings
1980 Mark Aguirre Terry Cummings
1981 Terry Cummings Ty Corbin
1983 Ty Corbin Dallas Commegies

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Penn State football was independent under Joe Paterno and played cupcake east coach schedule.
1971 11-1 only played 2 ranked teams - Lost to #10 Tennessee and beat #12 texas in cotton bowl
1973 12-1 only played 2 ranked teams - Beat #20 Pittsburgh and beat #13 in Orange bowl
 
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the juiceman cometh
TentakilRex said:
Oh crap. we might have been dunking too soon on Penn State.

Matt Campbell is being mentioned as their candidate!
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I think Matt Campbell is a good coach, but would that really be that impressive a hire? It's not like any of the other programs with openings was beating down his door.

Also, would he really take this job? Hasn't he rejected better opportunities in the past? Wouldn't he be concerned about PSU's absymal-to-nonexistent recruiting class?

Not saying it won't happen or that it wouldn't work, but it's one of those situations where I don't see that much upside for Campbell, and I can't imagine PSU's delusional fanbase being happy about it.
 
#383      
Mr. Tibbs
first, money always matters
second, sometimes these guys dont really care about money today as they care about money down the road

once they feel the family is taken care of until they die, they just want to have a team to coach or a path to occupy their time until they hit 68 and can play golf or hit the bullsh1t trail and keep busy until they pass

Napier is taken care of
all he wants is a place to call home until he dies

Indy or 0440 can back me up if they want
 
#385      
TentakilRex
the juiceman cometh said:
I think Matt Campbell is a good coach, but would that really be that impressive a hire? It's not like any of the other programs with openings was beating down his door.

Also, would he really take this job? Hasn't he rejected better opportunities in the past? Wouldn't he be concerned about PSU's absymal-to-nonexistent recruiting class?

Not saying it won't happen or that it wouldn't work, but it's one of those situations where I don't see that much upside for Campbell, and I can't imagine PSU's delusional fanbase being happy about it.
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Buzz means nada

There is a couple of things that worry me

1. Look at Iowa State, pre-Campbell and now. Current Illinois looks like Alabama next to most of Iowa State's history.
2. He can recruit Ohio which is a pretty good thing to have in this conference and even better when you border Ohio.
 
#389      
altgeld88
Fighter of the Nightman said:
RE: The comparisons of PSU football potentially going the way of Nebraska, I find it interesting how there are so many more "historically elite" football programs than in basketball because of the NCAA Tournament ... at least IMO. Programs like Nebraska or PSU could live in their own little kingdoms, win enough games to get to a certain bowl and crown it a successful season to further pad their egos. Meanwhile, a #1 seed goes down in the Second Round of March Madness semi-regularly, and fans will not remember that squad as fondly as they should ... as we know all too well.

For all of its faults, conference realignment and NIL seem to have shattered the delusions of grandeur of some of these programs. With programs like Illinois seemingly mobilizing more money to pay coaches than they ever had in the past and the transfer portal / NIL somewhat leveling the playing field, I feel the appeal of going to a PSU and being under unrealistic pressure has lost SO much of its luster ... no matter how cool a White Out is.
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Introducing NIL to CFB put a huge dent in the high barrier to entry programs had in moving from mediocrity to establishing a winning program.
 
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BrownTown
TentakilRex said:
Buzz means nada

There is a couple of things that worry me

1. Look at Iowa State, pre-Campbell and now. Current Illinois looks like Alabama next to most of Iowa State's history.
2. He can recruit Ohio which is a pretty good thing to have in this conference and even better when you border Ohio.
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I have always felt that he would be a great candidate. Not as splashy as Penn State NEEDS it to be after firing a 10/11 win guy and spending 50 mil....

But really they put themselves in a position where maybe a handful of guys would have felt like a win after that...

Cig/Deboer/Elko and a few (even) more unrealistic candidates like Saban, Urban, and the Ghost of JoePa seemed like the only candidates that would satiate PSU after that debacle.
 
#392      
BretMyBeachHouse
You actually contradict yourself. On one hand, you say no one's beating down his door. On the other hand you point out he's rejected "better opportunities."

I think it's very clear that Campbell is being very picky and remains a hot commodity.

But I think he stays put. And that $300 million contract extension number increases.
 
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the juiceman cometh
TentakilRex said:
Buzz means nada

There is a couple of things that worry me

1. Look at Iowa State, pre-Campbell and now. Current Illinois looks like Alabama next to most of Iowa State's history.
2. He can recruit Ohio which is a pretty good thing to have in this conference and even better when you border Ohio.
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I think Cambell is a good coach, and he might well be best option PSU has now, but there's no way they'd have fired Franklin if they thought they'd be hiring Campbell. It's not an obvious upgrade. It's a maybe upgrade, at best.

I am more perplexed by why Campbell would take it. The timing w/r/t recruiting is terrible (it's a worse job today than it was 2 weeks ago) and he's turned down better jobs than this one to stay at Iowa St. in the past.
 
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POWURR
the juiceman cometh said:
I think Cambell is a good coach, and he might well be best option PSU has now, but there's no way they'd have fired Franklin if they thought they'd be hiring Campbell. It's not an obvious upgrade. It's a maybe upgrade, at best.

I am more perplexed by why Campbell would take it. The timing w/r/t recruiting is terrible (it's a worse job today than it was 2 weeks ago) and he's turned down better jobs than this one to stay at Iowa St. in the past.
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At this point, you will need a world-eating portal king to avert disaster. Galactus, your table is ready.
 
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PleaseMakeABowlGame
the juiceman cometh said:
I think Cambell is a good coach, and he might well be best option PSU has now, but there's no way they'd have fired Franklin if they thought they'd be hiring Campbell. It's not an obvious upgrade. It's a maybe upgrade, at best.

I am more perplexed by why Campbell would take it. The timing w/r/t recruiting is terrible (it's a worse job today than it was 2 weeks ago) and he's turned down better jobs than this one to stay at Iowa St. in the past.
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Which jobs has he turned down? I think he’s maxed out Iowa State and reached their ceiling.
 
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OrangeBlue98
The ONLY reason I can see Campbell being interested in leaving Ames is that he 1) thinks he's done all he can do in Ames and/or 2) he wants to get closer to his roots and sees Penn State as the best opportunity to do that.

1) May very well be right. Campbell has done a very good job at Iowa State. I would say that it could be a heavy lift to get Iowa State consistently past where they are now (and I say this as someone who probably considers ISU as his #2 team now that my son is going there next fall). If he's finally decided it's time, then he probably can't do a lot better than Penn State in the next few years assuming he wants to move closer to his Ohio home. The Penn State fan base will not like the hire because, as others have said, Campbell is not the clear step up from Franklin that PSU fans wanted.

I can absolutely see Campbell making this move. However, if he decides to stay in Ames, I won't be totally shocked.
 
#397      
OrangeBlue98
aaeismacgychel said:
If anything, not soon enough... still infuriating what went on when he was coaching here. While the Lovie era didn't work out at the time, the more years go by, the more appreciative I am of how he cleaned up the utter mess left behind by Beckman, and how he got us to a place where someone like Bret would consider taking the job, as well as leaving him some talent to help turn this around. At a time where we had so very few options and were a barely walking poison pill with lawsuits and sanctions on us, man did we strike gold with Josh.
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Let's be honest - at the time Josh Whitman was hired, Illinois was considered an AD graveyard. We weren't getting a P5 AD to make a move, so it was worth taking the chance on him. Sure, there were some "Guenther 2.0" concerns. But for me, I felt like Whitman had at least proven himself actually leading an athletic department (even if the departments were small relatively to Illinois).

Whitman was the equivalent of Lance Leipold making the jump from UW-Whitewater to Buffalo (D3 to D1), but it was even a bigger jump as he was going to a Big Ten program. But sometimes, the right guy doesn't always have the "perfect" resume.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse
the juiceman cometh said:
I think Cambell is a good coach, and he might well be best option PSU has now, but there's no way they'd have fired Franklin if they thought they'd be hiring Campbell. It's not an obvious upgrade. It's a maybe upgrade, at best.

I am more perplexed by why Campbell would take it. The timing w/r/t recruiting is terrible (it's a worse job today than it was 2 weeks ago) and he's turned down better jobs than this one to stay at Iowa St. in the past.
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I think there are few true difference makers in the coaching ranks. Virtually every hire made so far i consider to be in your maybe category.

I'm guessing the top 50 coaches are all looking for a spot they can win a national title. History and tradition don't really matter except in the way it brings in dollars.

Campbell considers moving if the NIL support is big enough that he thinks it gives him a substantially better shot at a title. In this case it seems likely that it would be much larger.
 
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