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Joel Goodson
RedGrangeHelmet said:
My only problem with Tyrone Wheatley is if he comes to Illinois and has success will he bolt for Michigan if they come calling. I love Bret he’s a good man and an excellent football coach that doesn’t get the credit he deserves. Bret elevates coaches stature and as soon as they get some recognition and praise they bolt for what looks like a better opportunity or their “Dream Job” see Ryan Ungrateful Walters
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yeah, bolting for a HC job, imagine that!
 
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Joel Goodson
RedGrangeHelmet said:
Terry Hawthorne is my guy. The East Boogie East Saint Louis, Illinois stand up. East Saint Louis Senior High School stand up. Although Illinois has had success in East Saint Louis,Illinois with getting players like Terry Hawthorne, Dana Howard, Melvin Priestly, Jojo Hayden , Brandon Henderson etc . Over the years in my opinion Illinois has not made East Saint Louis as much of a priority as they should have in football and basketball . SEC teams especially Missouri have been feeding off East Saint Louis talent for decades. Case in point Luther Burden current Chicago Bears Wide receiver. Terry will be good at getting talent in Southern Illinois.
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kinda difficult to pull in top level guys when your program is a doormat and your coffers are pretty sparse. fortunately, Coach B's done a wonderful job turning the program around. that said, when we're gunning for the cream, it's always gonna be a dogfight
 
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Red77sng
This conversation is probably gravitating towards the recruiting thread, but another kid I feel we didn't even kick the tires on was Angelo De Sensi. Granted NU was his beat offer, but this is a 6-5 275 tackle that we probably could develop for 3 years that is from the west suburbs.
My biggest complaint thus far about our staff during this tenure is that they seem to love the Illinois downstate/rural success story over kids from some big time programs that are football players. Your guy from Fenwick is a prime example. I love those downstate kids, but they should be a layup everytime for us. We need Iowa, Wisky, now MSU, and ND to have a battle over our state kids where there is the biggest concentration of players. I'm probably misguided a bit, but that's my feeling so far.
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Agree
 
#804      
RedGrangeHelmet
kinda difficult to pull in top level guys when your program is a doormat and your coffers are pretty sparse. fortunately, Coach B's done a wonderful job turning the program around. that said, when we're gunning for the cream, it's always gonna be a dogfight
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I agree but I’m also old enough to remember when Missouri was a joke of a football and basketball program in the Big 8 and Big 12 in the 70s ,80s,90s getting destroyed by Nebraska in football on an annual basis. Missouri should never be better than Illinois in Football or Basketball
 
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the juiceman cometh
bigcityillini said:
You literally can’t even get your data correct man. What are you talking about 😂😂
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#807      
logjam
Yea some people have the same opinions! Crazy!?? Let’s sound the alarm
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Have you thought about...maybe expressing your positive thoughts about the team for next year...I bet we all might have a few more things in common than we think...it's just a thought...all this pissing about the portal and coaching staff is getting monotonous...
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Old.Edgy
Yea some people have the same opinions! Crazy!?? Let’s sound the alarm
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How about giving us your opinions on what corrective actions should be taken now... Having an opinion about the mistakes that were made surely mean you have immediate solutions/remedies that can be taken to correct those errors... Can you give us those also ? ? ?
 
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bigcityillini
When you create your next user name, you might want to study your tells. They’re pretty obvious.
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Yeah man. When you get your next tin foil hat.. don’t get double layered stuff
 
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ILLINIGRAD2014
From bigcity - "Also, again you're mischaracterizing the discussion. You've essentially said 2 things: 1) good teams rely on P4 transfers, not G5"

Well use this year's 12 team college football field. Left out JMU and Tulane for obvious reasons.
Alabama (High School commits: 79.65%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 13.27%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 7.08%)
Oregon (High School commits: 77.88%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 12.39%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 9.73%)
Oklahoma (High School commits: 74.31, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 9.17%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 16.51%)
Ohio State (High School commits: 82.36, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 9.24%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 8.40%)
Indiana (High School commits: 65.09%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 11.32%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 23.58%)
Ole Miss (High School commits: 56.43%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 20.5%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 23.07%)
Miami (High School commits: 74.78%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 13.04%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 12.18%)
Texas Tech (High School commits: 60.88%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 29.26%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 9.86%)
Texas A&M (High School commits: 67.88%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 19.2%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 12.8%)
Georgia (High School commits: 81.4%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 10.2%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 8.5%)

So, on average (High School commits: 72%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 15%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 13%). Of that breakdown. The starters on those teams were heavily skewed towards commits and P4 transfer. About 85% of starting players on these teams came from those two categories. Meaning 87% of college football playoff rosters were P4 commits or transfers, and 85% of real production comes from this group. Non-P4 transfers accounted for 13% of total rosters in the college football playoffs, and about 15% of production (understanding that starting does not equal production, but gotta work today lol and cant do all that math).

Illinois Breakdown: (High School commits: 64.4%, Power 4 transfers (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC): 15.7%, Other transfers (G5/FCS/JUCO/D-II): 20.1%). Take that breakdown however you'd like to. But it shows that Illinois is comprised of non-P4 transfers at a much higher rate than the national average for high performing programs.

2) the transfer portal rankings are a reliable indicator of success.
I used the transfer portal team rankings for 2025 and then compared it to the ESPN Power Index. There is a strong correlation. Transfer Rank (1 = best) vs FPI Rank (1 = best). If we roughly compute the correlation. Correlation coefficient ≈ +0.45 to +0.55. This means a moderate, meaningful positive correlation. (you can check all this using AI if you'd like). But there is strong data that suggest doing well in the portal rankings has a positive indicator towards success. So i think they do matter and using single data points instead of larger models to look at this is silly"

I mean... if this isnt data, idk what is. the juiceman cometh
 
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ILLINIGRAD2014
When you create your next user name, you might want to study your tells. They’re pretty obvious.
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yeah man!! bigcityillini next time you make a statement that the nut house doesn't like, just be a little mindful of how you phrase it 😄
 
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