Coaching Carousel (Football)

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Jamarvelous32
bigcityillini said:
I’ll speak for my other account and twin. It’s a really mediocre staff. no one on this staff was at a better program than us last season.
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This is a wildly ignorant point of view. Was Cignetti a bad hire because he came from JMU? Kiffin from FAU? Lunney from UTSA? Sumrall from Tulane?

1- Our program is doing quite well vs historical success, so the pool of 'better programs' is smaller (this is a good thing!) and 2- the coaching profession is built on coaches moving up the ladder to teams with more resources.
 
#103      
band camp
bigcityillini said:
How dare you!!! How dare you go against the prevailing narrative around here! I imagine this is how 1040 and juice man look whenever they see a post of someone disagreeing with them 😂

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No, its how you write in absolutisms that cannot be proven until played out.
One is a troll in a way one expresses an opinion. Loyalty is capable of constructive criticism followed by a healthy debate.
If you already know the outcome, what's the point of living?
 
#104      
the juiceman cometh
bigcityillini said:
How dare you!!! How dare you go against the prevailing narrative around here! I imagine this is how 1040 and juice man look whenever they see a post of someone disagreeing with them 😂

How Dare You Greta GIF
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Naw, I find it entertaining seeing you flail around with these ridiculous takes.

And hey, who needs to convince people when you can create a few more alts and give the illusion of having people agree with you! 2 didn't do it, but maybe 3 will! Keep going!
 
#105      
bigcityillini
ChiefGritty said:
That's a weird arbitrary criteria.

I also think you're underrating Ronnie Bradford a bit as someone with experience as a pre-NIL era football factory position coach recruiting workhorse.

The additions as a whole have a bit of a "Great Plains FCS Goobers" feel to them, sure, fair enough, but Bradford is also the guy who won the down-to-signing-day battle with the best programs in the country for a 5-star in LA who also happened to be Warren G's son. That's a different element.
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I don’t find it weird to want to staff people from successful P4 programs. Ronnie Bradford recruited pre NIL where it was all brand based. Could he figure it out? Sure. But again, similar to hauck at DC. Are we allergic to anything proven? Didn’t we just get the taste of what hiring unproven people for positions looks like?

I’m gonna steal the Great Plains fcs goobers line lol. That’s good 👍🏻. I think my worry is the DL and RB coaches were supposed to the be recruiters. They are clearly not that. So… here we sit. Be independent for a second. Do you really think this is a good staff on paper? Take your opinion on Bret out of the evaluation. Trust your own judgement.
 
#106      
bigcityillini
No, its how you write in absolutisms that cannot be proven until played out.
One is a troll in a way one expresses an opinion. Loyalty is capable of constructive criticism followed by a healthy debate.
If you already know the outcome, what's the point of living?
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I’ve yet to see loyalty capable of constructive cristism tbh. And others has expressed that same sentiment. Feels more like a middle school girls lunch table.
 
#107      
CoachHooleyHoo
What I see in these coaching moves by BB is a shrewd philosophical shift. Pre-NIL, you needed hungry recruiters who were full of personality, had tons of relationships, and could convince kids to come here. Usually, the most talented teams win, so recruiting was the key to that. But this isn't 2010....see Jerome Tang as exhibit A in basketball. The best recruiter on any staff is NIL $$, period. Seems pretty clear that NIL has spread talent out more b/c everybody has something and can get a kid a good payday. So, I see BB operating like a CEO...1) maximize every NIL dollar by not overpaying a player and or two, 2) have a few ace recruiters that do most of the work on the recruiting trail, and 3) bring in the best football coaches you can get (even though they may not be the best recruiters) so you can outcoach/scheme other teams. Until we get to the next level on NIL money, in my humble opinion, this is the only way to get over the good/not-quite-national-contender hump. I could be way off on this, but I think it's pretty genius.
 
#108      
bdutts
I’ll speak for my other account and twin. It’s a really mediocre staff. no one on this staff was at a better program than us last season.
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What are you thinking for record next year?
 
#110      
ILLINIGRAD2014
ChiefGritty said:
Could be. We definitely need Wheatley to be a productive recruiter, and we definitely don't want to lose Art.

Thad Ward has done a heck of a lot for this program over the years, it stinks to lose him.
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Wheatley could be a good recruiter. Just will have to see. Art is the best we have on staff, which is sort of worrisome. Ward is a huge loss. A bigger one than people are seeming to think.
 
#111      
ILLINIGRAD2014
Or maybe it's someone obviously posting on multiple accounts and we need to do some mental gymnastics to pretend otherwise
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man.. you all really do believe anything huh. Get those tin foil hats ready lmfao
 
#113      
ptgrd23
ChiefGritty said:
Well there's a young guy with the energy for the trail.
Intersected with Rocky Long (though not Hauck) at SDSU, so he knows the defense.
Fleeing a sinking ship at BC.
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Played 3-3-5 at SDSU under Long - 4 years (3 year starter)
Coached d-line at SDSD under Long - grad assistant for 2 years under DL coach Brady Hoke, DL line coach 2 years
NFL 3 years assistant DL line coach at Browns including 1 year under Mike Vrabel
DL coach at BC last season ACC

We need as much 3-3-5 expertise as possible. San Diego State is very good Mountain West program - goes to bowl games pretty much every year

I like the hire!
 
#117      
RabidDawgClassic
He’s caught in a quandary. Does he protest such posts and draw more attention to himself or does he laugh at them in hopes of deflecting suspicion? It’s a losing battle either way.
 
#120      
ChiefGritty
bigcityillini said:
I don’t find it weird to want to staff people from successful P4 programs. Ronnie Bradford recruited pre NIL where it was all brand based. Could he figure it out? Sure. But again, similar to hauck at DC. Are we allergic to anything proven? Didn’t we just get the taste of what hiring unproven people for positions looks like?
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Well but I credit the opposing view here, which is that Bielema wants to do something different on defense than what's common and known to the world of people with same-old P4 credentials. You want people to know how to operate in the world that's coming rather than the world that has been. And that's true of recruiting too, right? Is scouting and evaluation ability, and through that the ability to price players accurately, to know who is worth spending on, now more valuable than "selling" the program? I'm sure there's some of both, but the game is still changing rapidly, there is essentially no one "proven" in that sense, the new college football is being created in real time.

I don't think guys that had filled identical jobs at other P4 schools would be a panacea, not by a long shot. It's bigger-picture than that.

bigcityillini said:
I think my worry is the DL and RB coaches were supposed to the be recruiters. They are clearly not that.
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Time will tell whether they are GOOD recruiters, but clearly that's going to be at the center of the job description for both of them. And Wheatley again was on that initial Harbaugh staff, as RB coach, that was transformationally successful on the trail.


bigcityillini said:
Do you really think this is a good staff on paper? Take your opinion on Bret out of the evaluation. Trust your own judgement.
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I don't think it's as good of a staff as the one we had before, to be honest. But we've changed the plan, I understand the new plan, and I think these guys are qualified to enact that plan (I would say so if they weren't, we've had some wildly unqualified assistant coaches at Illinois over the years). I think if we look back in a year and the plan hasn't worked, the problem will have been what we were trying to do, not the coaches we chose to do it.
 
#121      
AirTran
therealmiket86 said:
Well if you look what players are media are saying about Wheatley on twitter his head coaching experience is definitely not a plus
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I am aware. You're missing my point. His experience (good and bad - and there are texts from former Illini players about coaches they didn't like) as a running backs coach will be helped by being a head coach. The roles are completely different.

I have to be honest here. I think the vast majority of the people on this board are sane, normal people that express very insightful perspective on the program. But the thought that any person on this board has any first hand knowledge of any of these coaches and their skill and how recruiting works is pretty far out there. We have an entire recruiting organization and the departure of Dre Brown and then the uptick in recruits achieved for this season was impressive.

Let's see how the season goes.
 
#123      
therealmiket86
AirTran said:
I am aware. You're missing my point. His experience (good and bad - and there are texts from former Illini players about coaches they didn't like) as a running backs coach will be helped by being a head coach. The roles are completely different.

I have to be honest here. I think the vast majority of the people on this board are sane, normal people that express very insightful perspective on the program. But the thought that any person on this board has any first hand knowledge of any of these coaches and their skill and how recruiting works is pretty far out there. We have an entire recruiting organization and the departure of Dre Brown and then the uptick in recruits achieved for this season was impressive.

Let's see how the season goes.
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I didn’t miss your point but when reports are coming out about him not showing up to practice or the team banquet it’s not good. I don’t think doing that will help him be a better position coach
 
#125      
mhuml32
therealmiket86 said:
I didn’t miss your point but when reports are coming out about him not showing up to practice or the team banquet it’s not good. I don’t think doing that will help him be a better position coach
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I'll go further and say the angle about bringing in guys with head coaching experience is overblown because, besides Hauck, they were really really bad head coaches. There's nothing I would want to glean from, say, Wheatley's experiencing running Wayne State, that should ever be used for Illinois football. Just come in and focus on the being a position coach because you've proven that's the only thing you have sustained success.
 
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