Coaching Carousel (Football)

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And this is dumb analysis, I know, but I can't help it. You know what staff at Illinois was absolutely loaded with people who have had high-level success at major programs both before and afterward and with which we were (justifiably!) thrilled at the time?

Tim Beckman's first staff.

We all know about Alex Golesh's success now taking the Auburn HC job, with Tim Banks in tow after his success at Penn State and Tennessee. You might have noticed Chris Beatty becoming the Bears interim OC after Matt Eberflus got fired. Luke Butkus fled back to the NFL immediately after and has been the Packers OL coach throughout Matt LaFleur's tenure. But did you know Billy Gonzales was Florida's interim HC this year? Did you know Tim Salem is the Special Teams Coordinator for the huge turnaround at Georgia Tech? Did you know Steve Clinkscale was the co-DC/DB coach for the Michigan team that won the national title

And that was one of the least professional operations I've ever seen in college football.
Lou Tepper's first staff was excellent.
 
#177      
The NIU job is an awful job … There is zero chance Henry or Lunney would even consider it …

They both made more than Hammock here last year as Coordinators …
yup
and NIU is about to start playing all its away games west of the rocky mountains .
 
#178      
Ecellent points. Schools can't "stock up" on players any longer. Hence, BB's comment after New Year's about the level playing field. You can only use 11 players at a time and there are 35,000 FBS and FCS players out there. So its all about the talent evaluation and planning a coach and his staff can undertake.

One other fact here - that BB has also figured out and I have already done the quantitiative work on it. Prior to the NIL and the expansion of the CFP, The correlation between top 15 recruiting Freshman class and appearance in the CFP was 77%. As of today, there is no correlation between individual or team recruiting rankings and invites to the CFP.
That is a wild stat! It’s more like NFL-lite now.
 
#179      
Separate question: Will Lunney have any interest in the NIU job? I'll say no but I'm calling him today if I'm the NIU AD.


Hot Take: Aaron Henry gets the NIU head job if it opened in December.
There really are very few jobs that would be a great fit for Lunney. UTSA if Taylor leaves. Was Southern Miss even an option this year? Apparently Memphis wasn't interested??

I know some people sound off, including Warner, who would have bet anything short of his first born that Lunney was gone after this year. It didn't happen.

He's paid well and for the average program they can't afford him. Has no "real" HC experience for the bigs. More of a technical wonk than charismatic. Not going to excite the fans despite Illinois gushing internally. There just aren't that many good spots given his situation.
 
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There really are very few jobs that would be a great fit for Lunney. UTSA if Taylor leaves. Was Southern Miss even an option this year? Apparently Memphis wasn't interested??

I know some people sound off, including Warner, who would have bet anything short of his first born that Lunney was gone after this year. It didn't happen.

He's paid well and for the average program they can't afford him. Has no "real" HC experience for the bigs. More of a technical wonk than charismatic. Not going to excite the fans despite Illinois gushing internally. There just aren't that many good spots given his situation.
Forgot to add:

And he's sitting pretty with not having to travel much for recruiting at Illinois. Getting the label of "not having to recruit on the road" isn't the most enticing label for a go getter - up and coming coach.

There's a reason BB is where he is
There's a reason Lunney is where he is

They both are very good fits where they are currently.
 
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I know some people sound off, including Warner, who would have bet anything short of his first born that Lunney was gone after this year. It didn't happen.

The moment was there but the offense had some struggles down the stretch that hurt his candidacy. I'm a believer in if Illinois scores 27 points in a ho-hum win over the Badgers then Lunney is a strong candidate for jobs like Southern Miss.
 
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Separate question: Will Lunney have any interest in the NIU job? I'll say no but I'm calling him today if I'm the NIU AD.


Hot Take: Aaron Henry gets the NIU head job if it opened in December.
Context for the question since I don't see it posted here (and there was talk of him possibly coming to UIUC):

 
#184      
The coaching tree with deep roots in the scheme is narrow. So the coaching selection is likely as narrow. All the hires align with the scheme signaling a total commitment to the change. That feels good to me. Not many with Haucks history and experience in the scheme. That's another signal to deep commitment on the change in philosophy.

One think to do it, another to coach to it. Pretty gutsy to make this significant a shift in philosophy.

I agree with the question stated earlier. Do we have enough horses up front to get the job done. It's the Jimmy's and the joes not the x and the o. BB and Hauck can scheme all day but we need the bodies on the field to do the job.

Love were we are at LB and DB compatibly. DL? Dunno.
 
#185      
The coaching tree with deep roots in the scheme is narrow. So the coaching selection is likely as narrow. All the hires align with the scheme signaling a total commitment to the change. That feels good to me. Not many with Haucks history and experience in the scheme. That's another signal to deep commitment on the change in philosophy.
Scheme first. The players will follow. Urlacher was a beast. SDSU consistently won- went to 9 bowls in 9 years under Rocky Long. Averaged 9 wins per season playing the 3-3-5. Its weird but not many schools play it. Designed to counter high scoring spread offenses. Most offenses in B10 meet that criteria - Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon, USC, NW, Illinois. Old school 3 yards and cloud of dust - Iowa, Penn State. Michigan
 
#186      
The coaching tree with deep roots in the scheme is narrow. So the coaching selection is likely as narrow. All the hires align with the scheme signaling a total commitment to the change. That feels good to me. Not many with Haucks history and experience in the scheme. That's another signal to deep commitment on the change in philosophy.

One think to do it, another to coach to it. Pretty gutsy to make this significant a shift in philosophy.

I agree with the question stated earlier. Do we have enough horses up front to get the job done. It's the Jimmy's and the joes not the x and the o. BB and Hauck can scheme all day but we need the bodies on the field to do the job.

Love were we are at LB and DB compatibly. DL? Dunno.
Don't have to be big on the DL to be successful in the 3-3-5. Just gotta be disruptive to the blocking scheme so your free hitters can make a play. We'll give up more big plays than AHen D but we'll createore big plays
 
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That is a wild stat! It’s more like NFL-lite now.
I can only comment on it quantitatively.

About 400 college players sign NFL contracts (of some type) and rougly 240 draft picks per year. So the field for evaluation (per se) without draft picks is roughly 160 players divided over 30 teams. So 4-6 rookie free agents. While there are 450 veteran free agents, not a lot of assessment is needed there. All of the teams have already seen the VFAs both on film and in person. So there is definitely need for talent evaluation at the NFL level, but not what is needed in College

There are 250 D1 (FBS and FCS) teams 33,000 players all with different amounts of eligibility. No draft picks. Everyone is a free agent. There are 15,000 high school Juniors and Seniors. So the investment (and you are seeing it with schools like Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Texas, Kansas) since the rule change in 2024 relating to off - field staff support.

BB is right, the playing field is competitive. Its not how much money you spend, its identifying the players, coaches, off field personal that can create a program and make the tough decisions and the come up with a coherent game by game strategy for the upcoming season.

What strikes me about the hires BB made is he is trying to toughen up the groups they are responsible for and improve thier technique (development). We have not been a great blocking and tackling team the past few years. BB appears to want to change. We had no bite against Indiana, Washington or Wisconsin.
 
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Who on this staff was actually in demand? Like who did we beat out to land any of these guys? It’s a lot of small‑school hires. Sure, some of them might work out. But it feels like fishing in small ponds, you usually catch small fish. That doesn’t make them bad fish, but it doesn’t make them impressive catches either.
What difference does that make? There is no relevance there. There is negative correlation between highest paid coordinators and on field coaches and CFP appearances. You think Michigan, Penn State, LSU and Texas are happy with their spending? How about Georgia and Alabama? They got beat by teams that spend alot less than they do.
 
#189      
My biggest fear now is that the acrimonious and caustic comments that successfully shutdown one thread will leak into others - eventually shutting down the entire site... Has Q-Anon taken over the entire population? Note to Dan: take this down if you think its inappropriate, but its something to ponder....
 
#190      
What difference does that make? There is no relevance there. There is negative correlation between highest paid coordinators and on field coaches and CFP appearances. You think Michigan, Penn State, LSU and Texas are happy with their spending? How about Georgia and Alabama? They got beat by teams that spend alot less than they do.
I would love to read that study. Please provide the data you used to show that correlation.
 
#191      
Yes but Sacramento State going to the MAC gives us the Ball-Sac Game
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#192      
What difference does that make? There is no relevance there. There is negative correlation between highest paid coordinators and on field coaches and CFP appearances. You think Michigan, Penn State, LSU and Texas are happy with their spending? How about Georgia and Alabama? They got beat by teams that spend alot less than they do.
Totally agree with you. Some people on this board are going out of their way to be negative about the coaching hires. Nitpicking and trying to find any excuse to be negative. Season hasn’t even started yet. Not one down of football has been played. I think this has been a very successful offseason. Bret has completely overhauled the defense . New defensive scheme , defensive coordinator and defensive assistant coaches. Bret did this coming off a successful season.
Bret said he’s not satisfied and wants to make the playoffs and win a national championship
 
#193      
What difference does that make? There is no relevance there. There is negative correlation between highest paid coordinators and on field coaches and CFP appearances. You think Michigan, Penn State, LSU and Texas are happy with their spending? How about Georgia and Alabama? They got beat by teams that spend alot less than they do.
I’d be interested to see the correlation. Care to provide the data??? Or the study you read that evidences that?
 
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I would love to read that study. Please provide the data you used to show that correlation.
What am I your personal statistician?

Go and construct one yourself and use AI the correct way. All of the W-L records are public. All of the on - field personell comp numbers are available as well. You need a min of 5 years to create the study and the number of schools you need? Well you are going to need to calculate that yourself. But I will give you a hint, the are a limited number of schools that spend more than $8mm / year on the field.
 
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