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Below are the results since Beckman was fired. For those unfamiliar, the FPI score is how many points above or below average the team is. The numbers in parentheses is the national rank.

2015:
Record: 5-7
FPI: 3.1 (67)
B1G Median: 5.85 (55.5)

2016:
Record: 3-9
FPI: -6.0 (94)
B1G Median: 7.1 (47.5)

2017:
Record: 2-10
FPI: -12.3 (104)
B1G Median: 5.95 (40)

2018:
Record: 4-8
FPI: -8.5 (98)
B1G Median: 7.3 (38.5)

2019:
Record: 6-7
FPI: -0.6 (65)
B1G Median: 7.6 (35.5)

2020:
Record: 1-3
FPI: -3.1 (83)
B1G Median: 6.6 (35.5)
I know nothing about this rating tool, but it sure makes sense to me. And the year-by-year FPI ratings also pass the smell test. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Zook > Beckman > Smith ---- at least in terms of success on the field.


Even so, I'd rate the coaches differently when it comes to overall performance (i.e. taking into account leadership, trust, ethics, etc.):
Zook > Smith < Beckman
 
#254      
Springfield, Il
South Caroline fires Muschamp. There is a DC for somebody.
 
#257      
South Carolina just canned Muschamp
Top 3 candidates:
1. Hugh Freeze (Liberty)
2. Billy Napier (Louisiana)
3. Steve Sarkisian (Alabama OC)

They really want Freeze. (Assuming he calls his escorts on his personal phone in the future).
 
#258      
You know an intern in the USC athletic department has been told to look into burner phones ha
 
#259      
Muschamp proved he wasn't HC material at Florida, then SCAR hires him expecting a different result. I didn't know Ron Guenther was the AD at SC.
 
#260      
Top 3 candidates:
1. Hugh Freeze (Liberty)
2. Billy Napier (Louisiana)
3. Steve Sarkisian (Alabama OC)

They really want Freeze. (Assuming he calls his escorts on his personal phone in the future).
The fans may want Freeze but I don't think the AD is sold on it just yet. Napier, Chadwell, Tony Elliott, Fickell
 
#262      
Lol at the Lovie haters comment as well, don't hate Lovie or think he is a bad guy. He jut isn't a good college football coach. Game has passed him by and he does nothing in recruiting.

100% right. No reason to hate Lovie. He is a good man and a great role model. Sad that he hasn't been more successful because he is the perfect figurehead for a football program.
 
#263      
100% right. No reason to hate Lovie. He is a good man and a great role model. Sad that he hasn't been more successful because he is the perfect figurehead for a football program.
how is he at recruiting?? i used to live in chicago, then had to move to worthless arkansas, tough to keep up with the recruiting news!
 
#264      
how is he at recruiting?? i used to live in chicago, then had to move to worthless arkansas, tough to keep up with the recruiting news!
Lovie is horrible at recruiting. Just look at this state. He needs to recruit smart football players, not athletes. He doesn't recruit this state well at all. Nobody is questioning his character. But he is not the perfect figurehead for this program. Extending his contract is so Illinois like. Good riddance this program is in dire need of a coach that has some emotion and discipline. Lovie does not demonstrate any of this.
 
#265      
Lovie is horrible at recruiting. Just look at this state. He needs to recruit smart football players, not athletes. He doesn't recruit this state well at all. Nobody is questioning his character. But he is not the perfect figurehead for this program. Extending his contract is so Illinois like. Good riddance this program is in dire need of a coach that has some emotion and discipline. Lovie does not demonstrate any of this.
He doesn't actively recruit at all sooo that would be a good start.
 
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how is he at recruiting?? i used to live in chicago, then had to move to worthless arkansas, tough to keep up with the recruiting news!

There has been absolutely zero bump, from Lovie doing recruiting. If anything, he's gotten super lucky via harvesting the transfer portal, which effectively wasn't even around when he was hired 4.5 years ago.
 
#267      
Western Illinois
He doesn't actively recruit at all sooo that would be a good start.
It just blows my mind that you would have a head coach that doesn't recruit. As a person I don't think you could have a better person. Unfortunately that doesn't win football games. Head coaches need to be dynamic and out going and relate to these young kids. As a HC you can have an Offensive and Defensive coordinator and let them do their jobs. But as a HC you need to be out in front of the recruits being the face of the program and getting them to buy into what you are doing.

When we first hired Lovie I thought "yes" we finally have a black HC that can relate to the Black athletes that he will bring in. And I do think he relates to them, he just needs to realize that his defense isn't working in the college game. And in my opinion he hasn't hired the right assistants. With the pool of money we had to pay assistant coaches, we should have much better coaches.

All of that to say this, I think it's time for Lovie to move on and for our beloved to start the rebuild once again. I just hope that I live long enough to see a consistently good product on the field. I was at the game that we beat Michigan at home the year we won every BIG 10 game. What was that 1983? Those were the good old days when we were relevant in football. Anyway, thank you for your insight 0440, I really enjoy you posts.
 
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Tennessee
I would take the good man and good role model comment down a notch because of Lovie hiring his unqualified son as an assistant coach.

That said, Whitman presumably let Love do it so Whitman is part of the problem.
 
#269      
Lol at the Lovie haters comment as well, don't hate Lovie or think he is a bad guy. He jut isn't a good college football coach. Game has passed him by and he does nothing in recruiting.
Lovie is a nice guy but her doesnt have the passion or the fire we need. I like a coach to get upset on the sideline and fights for his team. Players love to see a guy get upset or does high fives when a great play happens. Lovie is not a game manager type which we see could have hurt us against RU late in the game. Napier and Chadwick are my top choices as both can take the talent IW has and advance it. Napier has a great resume and with him being with both Sweeney and Saban makes him a huge get. Would he come here? That is where JW needs to push a sell job that he cannot refuse. Not sure how many jobs comes open but the Big10 will at most only have two. Us and Michigan. He is a SE coach guy so he may want to get a gig in either the SEC or ACC but we will see.
 
#270      
I would take the good man and good role model comment down a notch because of Lovie hiring his unqualified son as an assistant coach.

That said, Whitman presumably let Love do it so Whitman is part of the problem.
Also if he is not participating in recruiting, that's a knock on his character. By now you can't call it ineptitude, he knows recruiting is important. He's making big money and isn't doing everything in his power to get the job done.
 
#271      
It is incredibly frustrating that we cannot shake the basement mentality. Illinois falls way short of paradise, but I have seen worse geographic locations produce good football programs (Manhattan, KS) as an example. We are starved for a guy who will sell the program and the state of Illinois. We have more than enough football talent in the surrounding areas, but we consistently lose out to Purdue, ND, Wisconsin, Iowa, Mizzou, Michigan, even Miami for crying out loud....Anyone good in the state looks elsewhere first because we have been so bad for such a long time. I was a huge Zook fan because of his energy, personality and his I will never get out worked mentality. It will take a young guy with passion and energy to convince these kids that our program can and will be different. If IU can be a top 10 team, why can't we?! Watch Allen on the sidelines, those kids love him (sorry, that will be the only positive thing I will every say about IU again). Go Illini!
 
#274      
I don't think winning college football games and recruiting the state of IL have much to do with each other so I don't know why everyone seems to get hung up on that.
 
#275      
Lovie is horrible at recruiting. Just look at this state. He needs to recruit smart football players, not athletes. He doesn't recruit this state well at all. Nobody is questioning his character. But he is not the perfect figurehead for this program. Extending his contract is so Illinois like. Good riddance this program is in dire need of a coach that has some emotion and discipline. Lovie does not demonstrate any of this.
You can't win without athletes.
 
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