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#76      
The Galloping Ghost
the juiceman cometh said:
For one, go to CNN.com, NYTimes.com, or FoxNews.com and check out the lead story.

Also, gambling can be addictive and ruin lives. Of course that doesn't mean we go back to making it illegal. But maybe we don't have professional sports leagues actively promoting it and making it part of the gameday experience we push on sports fans, a broad group of people that includes people as young as elementary school kids. Maybe we take the betting lines off of sports broadcasts, and go back to the days where you have to physically enter a licensed gambling venue and verify your age by showing your license before you can place a bet. And I think yes, we should go back to the days where, if you're going to have the privilege of playing in X sports league (whether collegiate or professional) you're just going to have to abstain from sports gambling.
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ESPN realizing the insanity of them trying to talk about this story while having their ticker underneath in real time lol
https://twitter.com/x/status/1981377775173841341
And here's the full extent of this thing, which is wild on numerous levels...
https://twitter.com/x/status/1981372767980441682
And the most relevant aspect when it comes to the NCAA now legalizing gambling for student athletes, while giving kids huge NIL paydays, is this...
"8 The FBI says that former Raptors player Jontay Porter was threatened to participate in the sports gambling scheme because of his gambling debts."
 
#77      
Calvin
the juiceman cometh said:
For one, go to CNN.com, NYTimes.com, or FoxNews.com and check out the lead story.

Also, gambling can be addictive and ruin lives. Of course that doesn't mean we go back to making it illegal. But maybe we don't have professional sports leagues actively promoting it and making it part of the gameday experience we push on sports fans, a broad group of people that includes people as young as elementary school kids. Maybe we take the betting lines off of sports broadcasts, and go back to the days where you have to physically enter a licensed gambling venue and verify your age by showing your license before you can place a bet. And I think yes, we should go back to the days where, if you're going to have the privilege of playing in X sports league (whether collegiate or professional) you're just going to have to abstain from sports gambling.
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No doubt gambling has downside. Thinking you know more than you do or getting high off the rush has caught up a lot of people, and not just with gambling. If you're saying sports betting scandals are the mistake, I'd remind you that those have been going on for over a century. Also, and pardon the use of the expression, but I would bet that the reason the FBI is arresting folks is because the bookies have the data around the suspicious behavior and worked with them.
 
#78      
Scoregasm
The Galloping Ghost said:
ESPN realizing the insanity of them trying to talk about this story while having their ticker underneath in real time lol
https://twitter.com/x/status/1981377775173841341
And here's the full extent of this thing, which is wild on numerous levels...
https://twitter.com/x/status/1981372767980441682
And the most relevant aspect when it comes to the NCAA now legalizing gambling for student athletes, while giving kids huge NIL paydays, is this...
"8 The FBI says that former Raptors player Jontay Porter was threatened to participate in the sports gambling scheme because of his gambling debts."
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Just lol @ ESPN....
 
#79      
MikeTisdale
I'm more surprised these guys can't calculate expected value.

This happened in 2023? Rozier was in the middle of a 4 year $100MM guaranteed contract. Terry, buddy, why are you risking that for 1/100th of that in a clearly illegal scheme?

He could have just kept playing like bad Rozier and milked a few more vet minimum contracts even after that, but now he's likely banned for life and facing a felony charge.
 
#80      
MDchicago
Grandpa said:
Wow! Not a good look for Portland when the head coach is in an illegal gambling deal tied into the Mafia.
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No kidding, that wasn't on my bingo card for today! Per sports reference, he made over $107M from his playing days, not counting endorsements, and has been making ~$5M a year coaching. I sense a 30 for 30 episode in his future....
 
#81      
mysterio2525
I do think we will see a significant drop in player props offered. or at least limiting the under bets for player props offered by the books.
 
#82      
NarrowJ
mysterio2525 said:
I do think we will see a significant drop in player props offered. or at least limiting the under bets for player props offered by the books.
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They’ve actually been limiting under bets for a while now, especially via Single Game Parlay

It’s just another facet of the predatory behavior, in that sharp bettors are more likely to bet unders and casuals are more likely to bet overs

EDIT: Main thing that I think needs changed is the books legal ability to limit or in some cases outright ban winning players- “Oh you’re good at this? Then too bad, you can’t play”
 
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#83      
mysterio2525
NarrowJ said:
They’ve actually been limiting under bets for a while now, especially via Single Game Parlay

It’s just another facet of the predatory behavior, in that sharp bettors are more likely to bet unders and casuals are more likely to bet overs

EDIT: Main thing that I think needs changed is the books legal ability to limit or in some cases outright ban winning players- “Oh you’re good at this? Then too bad, you can’t play”
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that's a tough one to get around but it's certainly out there. it's one thing to limit what bonuses and perks they offer but when they straight up limit what you can bet and you aren't doing anything illegal then that's hard to swallow
 
#84      
DeeIL89
Grandpa said:
Wow! Not a good look for Portland when the head coach is in an illegal gambling deal tied into the Mafia.
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I remembered a few mock drafts had KJ going to Portland. Whew, he dodged a bullet.
 
#86      
Mr. Tibbs
all this coming out ONE DAY after NCAA alows college players and coaches to bet on pro sports

could the NCAA and Charlie Baker be anymore STUPID ? hes a Harvard grad wtf are they thinking ?

but dont give players 5 for 5 . heaven forbid that
 
#87      
Roundball Sage
G League players are now allowed to play college basketball. Yep, it's true.

Just one more step remains – to allow NBA players to play for colleges! Don’t think this could happen? At one time no one believed that college players would be paid – sometimes richly as they can be today. And that you have to continuously recruit your own players and keep them happy all the time so they don't run away.

This is not a call for NBA players to do this. This is a mind-experiment and perhaps logical and financial-entertainment inevitability. But with the mega-dollars now involved with media and at-stake for everyone involved in College Ball it seems that nothing is off the table. And the once-thought 'not-possible' becomes actual fact.

Maybe it’s not all bad news. Maybe one day we’ll see Ayo once again in Orange and Blue and playing for The Beloved!

The innocence – such as there was – in College Ball is gone. The era of professionals and big money and angling for entertainment value has fully taken over.

Ayo!? Come Back?
 
#88      
Oracle21
Grandpa said:
Wow! Not a good look for Portland when the head coach is in an illegal gambling deal tied into the Mafia.
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Billups is in big trouble for leaking information to his gambling associates that players were going to sit out games before the info became public. Same with Damon Jones. It’s basically insider trading. Marta Stewart got thrown in jail for it. It’s certainly possible these guys do time too.

The mafia poker games is separate from his NBA life I think
 
#89      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
Roundball Sage said:
G League players are now allowed to play college basketball. Yep, it's true.

Just one more step remains – to allow NBA players to play for colleges! Don’t think this could happen? At one time no one believed that college players would be paid – sometimes richly as they can be today. And that you have to continuously recruit your own players and keep them happy all the time so they don't run away.

This is not a call for NBA players to do this. This is a mind-experiment and perhaps logical and financial-entertainment inevitability. But with the mega-dollars now involved with media and at-stake for everyone involved in College Ball it seems that nothing is off the table. And the once-thought 'not-possible' becomes actual fact.

Maybe it’s not all bad news. Maybe one day we’ll see Ayo once again in Orange and Blue and playing for The Beloved!

The innocence – such as there was – in College Ball is gone. The era of professionals and big money and angling for entertainment value has fully taken over.

Ayo!? Come Back?
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On behalf of everyone on here I have to ask...

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#93      
MikeTisdale
There has never been a more fixed playoff series than the 2002 NBA Western Conference finals and nobody will ever be able to convince me otherwise, but that was the refs, not the players. Donaghy laid it all out for the Feds when he was facing his own problems.

The NBA was using refs to fix things on their own way before gambling became so prominent, and now they're all in bed with the legal gambling sites as sponsors. Sounds like the NBA knew all about Rozier's prop bets waaaaay before this week. The gambling books pick this stuff up immediately, it's super easy for them (see: pitch prop bets in baseball this past season that will get several players banned).

The NBA just brushed aside clear proof that Kawhi Leonard was getting paid HUGE money outside of contract to circumvent the cap rules. Now they've got a widespread gambling scandal with mob involvement. I'm not naive enough to think all the sports leagues (including the NCAA) aren't facing this same thing - legalizing sports gambling has been a huge dreg on not only sports but the young worker economy as well.
 
#96      
Curbelo Fanboy
I've thought for a long time that the pro sports leagues have been "fixing" games at times for many many years.

And not for the gambling aspect kind of fixing. But rather to steer the results to a desired outcome. In recent years most rational unbiased NFL fans have seen that the Chiefs seem to get every 50/50 call in the key situations. Why is this? Some luck, some due to the fact they have been a great team, but I'd contend a fair amount is due to the fact that KC brings millions of extra eyeballs due to Swiftie Nation tuning in to see how Taylor's boy is doing.

The league would much rather have a Super Bowl featuring KC vs Philly/LA/Dallas etc instead of say Detroit vs Cleveland. The refs working the games know this as well. Most of us at work try to do that which our bosses will recognize as a job well done. I think lots of times these refs act accordingly to try to set up the best potential matchups for the league.

We've all seen similar things happen in college games where the "chosen ones" seem to always get the calls in the important spots. There is millions of dollars at stake for these leagues & conferences depending on who advances to the Super Bowl or CFP playoffs. A real incentive ot get a desired outcome.

There probably are times like the example you give where there is a "fix" on the game though I suspect that one coulda been along the lines of my example (LA in the finals instead of the Kings is a much bigger national draw). And I know Donaghy fixed lots of games & has admitted as such. Though I don't know he was swinger winners & losers so much as just moving the point spread along as needed. Bad nonetheless.
 
#98      
HereSoIDontGetFined
This kind of stuff just doesn't make logical sense.

The NFL owners are the ones who decide who the commissioner is.

Super Bowl and playoff runs make millions of dollars for the respective teams.

Do you think NFL owners are just like, "yeah that's cool that they're fixing the games, it's more important that the NFL makes money than us". No way, no how. These guys aren't into this to pump up the NFL. They're there to make money for themselves, and if the entire league is just bowing to <insert current FOTW team here>, that doesn't maximize their investment. It also doesn't make sense that the Patriots, the last great dynasty in sports, would have at all been hammered for their own cheating scandals. Instead, the league would likely have encouraged it.
 
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