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ChiefGritty
jamarvelous31 said:
Seems like a pipe dream.

Both because our politics are broken...politicians can't even agree on something facially simple like day light savings...but it's not simple legislation if they do it right: there's a myriad of challenges they'd need to address based on states rights (many states have already passed laws), 1st amendment rights to speech (remember it's monetizing NIL), antitrust laws and due process concerns that will require a lot of politically opposed folks to agree.
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There isn't really a partisan/ideological divide on this though, at least not yet, one can always develop.

Fly Illini Fly! said:
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Negativity toward coach movement and coaches having opportunities their players don't has always gotten a lot of energy in these discussions.

So on that basis I wish people would better understand that a coach leaving being a trigger for a free transfer acts almost exclusively as a benefit to coaches to punish schools for firing them.
 
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jamarvelous31
There isn't really a partisan/ideological divide on this though, at least not yet, one can always develop.


Negativity toward coach movement and coaches having opportunities their players don't has always gotten a lot of energy in these discussions.

So on that basis I wish people would better understand that a coach leaving being a trigger for a free transfer acts almost exclusively as a benefit to coaches to punish schools for firing them.
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I think it's only because no one is taking this quite seriously...yet.

College football & basketball players are ~70-80% minorities, so those politics will be front and center. States rights. Corporate rights. It would be a win for Trump's legacy ::ducks::

I'd be shocked if those don't cause partisan issues.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
Koa Peat being back at AZ versus Koa Peat not being back at AZ is just such a huge difference as far as their roster stands.
 
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wc_illini
If you want to bet against LSU winning the natty, Kalshi is the place to do it: 5.9% to win, 94.2% not to win (around 6th in the country). The traditional books still have them as a long shot at ~+4000 (around #20 in the country).
 
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lstewart53x3
Fly Illini Fly! said:
I don't think preseason rankings by the analytics sites are all too significant.
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I was simply replying directly to your quote that said, “If they get Milan, they should be a top 15 team preseason”.

You also said that if they were another team like Nebraska people would have them top 10. And I pointed out that Torvik, which isn’t based on narratives, has them outside the top 30 atm.
 
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Grandpa
Seems like a pipe dream.

Both because our politics are broken...politicians can't even agree on something facially simple like day light savings...
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This fall when the time falls back, only fall back 30 minutes, then never change it again. Some countries already figured it out. Best case congress passes a bill (they won't).
Worst case Executive Order. Half the country will automatically hate it.
 
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jamarvelous31
lstewart53x3 said:
I was simply replying directly to your quote that said, “If they get Milan, they should be a top 15 team preseason”.

You also said that if they were another team like Nebraska people would have them top 10. And I pointed out that Torvik, which isn’t based on narratives, has them outside the top 30 atm.
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Torvic bases his projections off of:
  • Prior Years' Ratings
  • Returning Minutes & Production
  • Incoming Transfers
  • Recruiting Scores
The last two of those four are subjective (and in the case of transfer rankings wildly so). Torvik even makes prior year compliant with the narrative by adjusting for past performance by slightly de-emphasizing older games.

It's significantly better than nothing but hardly a bulletproof system for understanding team value vs perceived or narrative based value.
 
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Calvin
Det_Illini_fan said:
And then the pro thing completely overvalues the term “pro” with regards to European and other International leagues. They don’t have high school and collegiate sports the way we do here. It’s not like some 16 year old kid is squaring up in a league with the level of play similar to the NBA’s elite while making 8-figures.
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That said, these are senators, so I'm dubious on the intentions.

So many parts of this seem unworkable, or at least have serious issues. When you interfere with markets, they always push back. E.g. coaches have back-channels where they can find out their market value off-cycle, even if they can't technically leave for a new team. If the issue is coaches checking out, this won't solve it. Is a player that has sports related income a professional? There are many ways to earn money in the information economy. And what's the basis for the international treatment? That's the tip of the iceberg, and you can bet issues would get litigated over many years as they do now. If a commission's decisions holds up in court, then I think it could work, even if many issues remain. But that's going to take a while, and people will try to go around the rules.

It seems to me, admittedly uninformed on the subject, that much has been tried and failed because they have no legal basis to restrict compensation, and because of that every body they've put in place can't issue binding decisions that chip away at it. IANAL, but it seems like they would need to address that. And once you target these kids to keep costs down, I would expect a lot in congress would take the other side on the legislation since that has to come out of what the athletes could have made. If you take baseball as an example of having an anti-trust exemption, they have a players union that negotiates the other side of the agreement. I don't see anything here that addresses the athletes side, and for that reason, I wonder how it could possibly work. Just ignore them?
 
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WyattEarp
Not sure if this is the appropriate spot for this but…wow.

I dare you to try and watch this without throwing up or laughing uncontrollably.

 
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Calvin
WyattEarp said:
Not sure if this is the appropriate spot for this but…wow.

I dare you to try and watch this without throwing up or laughing uncontrollably.

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I expect propaganda like this to try and get people behind congress passing a law for an anti-trust exemption that A) gives control to the financial interests of the Universities and media companies, and B) puts more constraints on the athletes (without input or representation). It would be done, ostensibly, in their best interests.

The framing of these discussions gets to a view that the Universities are entitled to the revenue and control of the sport rather than the players. Pro leagues understand it's a business and have figured out how to put rules in place so they don't overspend, give players a say, and have enough parity to make their product interesting. The Universities have a more complex competitive landscape, struggle with spending discipline, and wouldn't agree on how to split the pot even if they did figure out basic rules. I think any power given to the SCS would be used aggressively to try and tap down some of the current market forces. I don't think it would be entirely successful because markets tend to find ways around legislation, but who knows.

I find the whole thing fascinating, and it somehow reminds me of the quote from Eric Hoffer, "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."
 
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