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#76      
RabidDawgClassic
illini_minas said:
Didn't every team with a bye lose this year? Those teams had 20+ days off versus the non-bye teams had roughly 10 days before their first game and another 10 days before the second game. Those 10 day gaps are kind of ideal for a football team. They get regular live reps but sufficient time to rest up before the next one. Normally, I'd be all for a bye but it seems like in this case the 20 day layoff works against that convention.
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Even more so than the extended layoff, all four bye teams were likely inferior to their opponents. Fluke of the new system.
 
#77      
ptgrd23
Big 10 teams always underperformed in Rose Bowl. I blamed long layoff but also the Rose Bowl was a like a home game for most Pac12 teams.

I suspect they go to 16 teams soon to get the additional revenue.
 
#78      
Old.Edgy
Mr. Tibbs said:
it’s usually right after these public denials that big news breaks

ND won’t be forced to join a league until all B1G & SEC schools refuse to schedule them . As long as they can get 3 decent games per year , they won’t . The path to CFP is just too easy that way
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Plus, as has been mentioned in other places, since they are independent they get to keep the $20 they receive from the bowls all to themselves... They don't have to share ....
 
#79      
RabidDawgClassic
Old.Edgy said:
Plus, as has been mentioned in other places, since they are independent they get to keep the $20 they receive from the bowls all to themselves... They don't have to share ....
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While Notre Dame gets to keep the $20 million all to itself while Ohio State has to split it with its B1G cohorts, Notre Dame is not getting a cut of the revenue from:

The Citrus Bowl
Duke’s Mayo Bowl
Rate Bowl
Sun Bowl
ReliaQuest Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Music City Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl

Ohio State does.

While I’m guessing they’d be better off keeping all $20 million from the CFP, it’s not like they’re doing ALL the heavy lifting. They’ll get their cut from those bowls above as well as from the CFP revenue brought in by Oregon, Penn State and Indiana.
 
#80      
Pikeillinifan
RabidDawgClassic said:
While Notre Dame gets to keep the $20 million all to itself while Ohio State has to split it with its B1G cohorts, Notre Dame is not getting a cut of the revenue from:

The Citrus Bowl
Duke’s Mayo Bowl
Rate Bowl
Sun Bowl
ReliaQuest Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Music City Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl

Ohio State does.

While I’m guessing they’d be better off keeping all $20 million from the CFP, it’s not like they’re doing ALL the heavy lifting. They’ll get their cut from those bowls above as well as from the CFP revenue brought in by Oregon, Penn State and Indiana.
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Some data from last year:

Alamo Bowl: $8,252,740

Arizona Bowl: $350,000

Armed Forces Bowl: $1,350,000

Bahamas Bowl (temporarily Famous Toastery Bowl): $225,000

Birmingham Bowl: $1,374,545

Boca Raton Bowl: $900,000

Camellia Bowl: $300,000

Citrus Bowl: $8,224,578

Cure Bowl: $573,125

Duke's Mayo Bowl: $4,780,461

Famous Idaho Potato Bowl: $800,000

Fenway Bowl: Unannounced

Frisco Bowl: $650,000

Gasparilla Bowl: $1,125,000

Gator Bowl: $5,350,000

Guaranteed Rate Bowl: $1,625,560

Hawai'i Bowl: $1,200,000

Holiday Bowl: $6,532,700

Independence Bowl: $2,200,000

L.A. Bowl Hosted By Gronk: Unannounced (

Las Vegas Bowl: $2,900,000

68 Ventures Bowl: $1,500,000

Liberty Bowl: $4,700,000

Military Bowl: $2,066,990

Music City Bowl: $5,700,000

Myrtle Beach Bowl: Unannounced

New Mexico Bowl: $1,050,000

New Orleans Bowl: $825,000

Pinstripe Bowl: $4,400,000

Pop-Tarts Bowl: $6,071,760

Quick Lane Bowl: $2,000,000

ReliaQuest Bowl: $6,400,000 (

SERVPRO First Responder Bowl: $824,545

Sun Bowl: $4,550,000

Texas Bowl: $6,400,000
 
#81      
RabidDawgClassic
Pikeillinifan said:
Some data from last year:

Alamo Bowl: $8,252,740

Arizona Bowl: $350,000

Armed Forces Bowl: $1,350,000

Bahamas Bowl (temporarily Famous Toastery Bowl): $225,000

Birmingham Bowl: $1,374,545

Boca Raton Bowl: $900,000

Camellia Bowl: $300,000

Citrus Bowl: $8,224,578

Cure Bowl: $573,125

Duke's Mayo Bowl: $4,780,461

Famous Idaho Potato Bowl: $800,000

Fenway Bowl: Unannounced

Frisco Bowl: $650,000

Gasparilla Bowl: $1,125,000

Gator Bowl: $5,350,000

Guaranteed Rate Bowl: $1,625,560

Hawai'i Bowl: $1,200,000

Holiday Bowl: $6,532,700

Independence Bowl: $2,200,000

L.A. Bowl Hosted By Gronk: Unannounced (

Las Vegas Bowl: $2,900,000

68 Ventures Bowl: $1,500,000

Liberty Bowl: $4,700,000

Military Bowl: $2,066,990

Music City Bowl: $5,700,000

Myrtle Beach Bowl: Unannounced

New Mexico Bowl: $1,050,000

New Orleans Bowl: $825,000

Pinstripe Bowl: $4,400,000

Pop-Tarts Bowl: $6,071,760

Quick Lane Bowl: $2,000,000

ReliaQuest Bowl: $6,400,000 (

SERVPRO First Responder Bowl: $824,545

Sun Bowl: $4,550,000

Texas Bowl: $6,400,000
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Does this include television revenue?
 
#83      
Mr. Tibbs
pretty sure ESPN pays the bowl directly for TV rights , and any and all monies paid out to the schools comes from the bowls .
 
#84      
Greensboro
illini_minas said:
Didn't every team with a bye lose this year? Those teams had 20+ days off versus the non-bye teams had roughly 10 days before their first game and another 10 days before the second game. Those 10 day gaps are kind of ideal for a football team. They get regular live reps but sufficient time to rest up before the next one. Normally, I'd be all for a bye but it seems like in this case the 20 day layoff works against that convention.
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All the bye teams did lose, but 2 teams ( ASU & Boise state) were clear underdogs & I think put up admirable efforts to reasonable expectations. Ohio State is and was on a roll & don’t remember the spread but personally I expected OSU to beat Oregon…throw in that OSU had an extra week off because they didn’t play in the big championship and both teams had a similar layoff, sure OSU didn’t have the layoff before Oregon, but I’m hard pressed to say they looked rusty before the first round blowout of Tennessee. So that leaves Georgia, who personally I expected to beat ND, but ND is better than I thought. So I don’t think all 4 bye teams losing is quite the surprise people are making it & personally I chalk it up more to a couple of weak bye teams and a couple of somewhat evenly matched games

So 0-4 vs roughly 1-3 expectation is noise in my opinion
 
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#85      
illini_minas
Greensboro said:
All the bye teams did lose, but 2 teams ( ASU & Boise state) were clear underdogs & I think put up admirable efforts to reasonable expectations. Ohio State is and was on a roll & don’t remember the spread but personally I expected OSU to beat Oregon…throw in that OSU had an extra week off because they didn’t play in the big championship and both teams had a similar layoff, sure OSU didn’t have the layoff before Oregon, but I’m hard pressed to say they looked rusty before the first round blowout of Tennessee. So that leaves Georgia, who personally I expected to beat ND, but ND is better than I thought. So I don’t think all 4 bye teams losing is quite the surprise people are making it & personally I chalk it up more to a couple of weak bye teams and a couple of somewhat evenly matched games

So 0-4 vs roughly 1-3 expectation is noise in my opinion
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I agree with everything you posted but until they change the seeding methodology getting a bye may not be all it's cracked up to be. In fact, you could argue that OSU getting a home game against an equally rested Tennessee a couple weeks after losing to Michigan (again) was exactly what they needed to ignite the run they're on now. I actually think there's a ton of value of getting a home playoff game even at the cost of having to play an extra one instead of a bye. It's gamble, for sure, but it seems to have paid off for ND and OSU. I mean, at the end of the regular season how many people actually thought this would be the natty matchup?
 
#86      
Huggies5
illini_minas said:
I agree with everything you posted but until they change the seeding methodology getting a bye may not be all it's cracked up to be. In fact, you could argue that OSU getting a home game against an equally rested Tennessee a couple weeks after losing to Michigan (again) was exactly what they needed to ignite the run they're on now. I actually think there's a ton of value of getting a home playoff game even at the cost of having to play an extra one instead of a bye. It's gamble, for sure, but it seems to have paid off for ND and OSU. I mean, at the end of the regular season how many people actually thought this would be the natty matchup?
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I would be very happy if Illinois got a bye next year. :)
 
#87      
the Castle on Daniel
It's year one of the current format. Way too soon to say having a bye is a net negative. It's quite plausible that OSU and ND are just better than all other contenders. Oregon barely got by OSU in Eugene and ND dropped the ball against NIU early in the season.
 
#88      
the juiceman cometh
illini_minas said:
I agree with everything you posted but until they change the seeding methodology getting a bye may not be all it's cracked up to be. In fact, you could argue that OSU getting a home game against an equally rested Tennessee a couple weeks after losing to Michigan (again) was exactly what they needed to ignite the run they're on now. I actually think there's a ton of value of getting a home playoff game even at the cost of having to play an extra one instead of a bye. It's gamble, for sure, but it seems to have paid off for ND and OSU. I mean, at the end of the regular season how many people actually thought this would be the natty matchup?
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I think the biggest surprise is how weak the SEC teams looked. If you were to have predicted that the SEC was weaker than advertised, then I don't think these two teams are all that surprising.
 
#91      
Mr. Tibbs
yea - kinda hard to understand that .
he’s all of a sudden throwing money at UM because his g/f (wife?) wants him to ?

weird
 
#92      
AZILL
www.yahoo.com

New Title IX guidance from President Biden's administration threatens to upend school rev-share plans in college sports

The outgoing administration's Department of Education dropped an 11th-hour salvo saying any payments must be “proportionately” distributed to men and women athletes to satisfy Title IX.
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Let's see how this all shakes out. One way means status quo, another means a complete re-evaluation of $$ distribution. I've mentioned in the past that how any legislation deals with Title IX will determine the future of NCAA Sports as a whole. I still stand by this belief.
 
#94      
Serious Late
Battle89 said:
Bit of a TL; DR, I got through about half of it. Always do appreciate any SEC shade though.

But my biggest takeaway is to tell Ellison to pound sand. It's not enough to not help us, he has to actively help the enemy too?
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Haha, that was my #1 takeaway as well!
 
#96      
Battle89
#97      
BZuppke
What do we think of Saban’s statement on NIL?
 
#99      
the juiceman cometh
BZuppke said:
What do we think of Saban’s statement on NIL?
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I find it interesting that the crux of his argument is that there needs to be competitive balance to even things out so schools have the same amount of money to compete. That's all well and good, but I wonder if those thoughts extend to compensation for coaches and athletic department employees? By the end of his tenure at Alabama he was earning over $11 million a year. His assistants were making nearly $10 million a year. That is way more than most schools can afford. So I wonder, does he feel that wide disparities in coaching compensation are also a competitive balance issue? Was he uncomfortable with this when he was at the helm of the one of the most expensive coaching staffs in the sport?
 
#100      
Illiniguy74
the juiceman cometh said:
I find it interesting that the crux of his argument is that there needs to be competitive balance to even things out so schools have the same amount of money to compete. That's all well and good, but I wonder if those thoughts extend to compensation for coaches and athletic department employees? By the end of his tenure at Alabama he was earning over $11 million a year. His assistants were making nearly $10 million a year. That is way more than most schools can afford. So I wonder, does he feel that wide disparities in coaching compensation are also a competitive balance issue? Was he uncomfortable with this when he was at the helm of the one of the most expensive coaching staffs in the sport?
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Hypocrite. His reputation as a coach was burnish by financial advantages that he now rails against.
 
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