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#101      
illinibbcz
Would anyone know how much Big Ten teams got each from the bowl season as well as how much the SEC got and Notre Dame?

Just curious if we had a windfall with all the winning or if SEC was close and whether Notre Dame got more than each Big Ten team.
 
#102      
Mr. Tibbs
illinibbcz said:
Would anyone know how much Big Ten teams got each from the bowl season as well as how much the SEC got and Notre Dame?

Just curious if we had a windfall with all the winning or if SEC was close and whether Notre Dame got more than each Big Ten team.
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pretty sure you get paid for getting invited a bowl, not winning it
ND got 20 million for making it to the CFP final
B1G had more teams in bowls, but also has 18 teams. B1G had 2 teams in the semis, SEC had 1.
bottom line, ND won the post season purse, B1G schools got more then SEC, but not be a while lot.
 
#103      
the juiceman cometh
Mr. Tibbs said:
pretty sure you get paid for getting invited a bowl, not winning it
ND got 20 million for making it to the CFP final
B1G had more teams in bowls, but also has 18 teams. B1G had 2 teams in the semis, SEC had 1.
bottom line, ND won the post season purse, B1G schools got more then SEC, but not be a while lot.
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Yeah I think the gamble for ND is kind of that Big Ten or SEC membership is a guaranteed windfall, whereas being an independent if you make the CFP you'll earn more than being in a conference, but if you don't you will probably earn less. If you have a losing season and fail to make a bowl you take a big hit.
 
#104      
the Castle on Daniel
ND has their own TV deal, no? Only way ND joins a conference is if the Big Ten and SEC stop scheduling them. I don't think the SEC cares about NDs independence as the Big Ten does...
 
#105      
Mr. Tibbs
the SEC will only care about ND making the CFP is when a 10-2 ND with a soft schedule beats out a 9-3 SEC team
the ND tv deal puts them pretty close to the B1G.
gotta see how ND does in the NIL world now

but yea, Ive said it before, when the B1G and the SEC stop scheduling them , ND will be forced to do something.
Playing 5 ACC schools, Army & Navy and 5 schools from the new PAC & MAC & AAC wont give you national cred . Until then, it will be status quo
 
#106      
1m4tr
the juiceman cometh said:
I find it interesting that the crux of his argument is that there needs to be competitive balance to even things out so schools have the same amount of money to compete. That's all well and good, but I wonder if those thoughts extend to compensation for coaches and athletic department employees? By the end of his tenure at Alabama he was earning over $11 million a year. His assistants were making nearly $10 million a year. That is way more than most schools can afford. So I wonder, does he feel that wide disparities in coaching compensation are also a competitive balance issue? Was he uncomfortable with this when he was at the helm of the one of the most expensive coaching staffs in the sport?
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So then that means then teams w resources will cheat once again but offering more money under the table. That’s what Saban wants so the elites can continue to get their unfair share.
 
#107      
Ander1345
Illiniguy74 said:
Hypocrite. His reputation as a coach was burnish by financial advantages that he now rails against.
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The thing he rails against is unfortunate but unfixable, thus it's easy to farm engagement.

The disparity from the top NIL rosters to the bottom is an entirely different universe. You are not going to take away Texas/OSU/Oregon etc's money... and it's not the AQ conferences' responsibility to pump up the Kennesaw States of CFB.

It's just time for a new division in CFB. You can only put a top limit in place if everyone can meet the bottom limit.
 
#108      
Greensboro
illinibbcz said:
Would anyone know how much Big Ten teams got each from the bowl season as well as how much the SEC got and Notre Dame?

Just curious if we had a windfall with all the winning or if SEC was close and whether Notre Dame got more than each Big Ten team.
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MD Article on payouts

Short story, if I'm reading it right & article is correct...everyone gets 2.6 million + 3million travel allowance /game =>so OSU would get 9 million in travel + 2.6 mil split =>11.6 million vs ND $20 million
 
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#110      
illinibbcz
Greensboro said:
MD Article on payouts

Short story, if I'm reading it right & article is correct...everyone gets 2.6 million + 3million travel allowance /game =>so OSU would get 9 million in travel + 2.6 mil split =>11.6 million vs ND $20 million
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But then we would also need to add in all of the other money from the other bowl teams to increase the total to something much closer to Notre Dame, correct?
 
#114      
Greensboro
so I took a shot at bowl payouts & big teams...couldn't find a good source for this years individual bowl payouts, so relied mostly on Wikipedia & could be some old numbers there; but here is at least a rough cut... rough shot all B1G make about 4.7 million from bowl payouts from conference...interesting note it looks like Ill brought in more than Ind & Oregon

Ohio State
20​
Penn State
14​
Oregon
8​
Indiana
4​
IllinoisCitrus
8.55​
MichiganReliaQuest
6.67​
IowaMusic
5.7​
NebraskaPinstripe
4.4​
MinnesotaMayo
4.78​
RutgersRate
1.63​
USCLV Bowl
2.9​
WashingtonTiger Bowl
4.55​
Total
85.18​
18 split
4.73​
 
#115      
Illini in Italy
Mr. Tibbs said:
yup
the B1G (incl USC) & SEC need to stop scheduling them for that to occur
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#116      
AZILL
Mr. Tibbs said:
yup
the B1G (incl USC) & SEC need to stop scheduling them for that to occur
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Doubt that ever happens. It would have to be a mutually agreed upon action by both conferences. If the B1G decided to go this route, the SEC would schedule ND just to keep them from dropping their Independent status and joining the B1G. The only scenarios I see being possibilities is that if the B1G AND SEC both decided to play conference only schedules and/or the TV $$$/viewership dried up that ND gets.... Very very very slim chance of either of those things happening imo.
 
#117      
Mr. Tibbs
AZILL said:
Doubt that ever happens. It would have to be a mutually agreed upon action by both conferences. If the B1G decided to go this route, the SEC would schedule ND just to keep them from dropping their Independent status and joining the B1G. The only scenarios I see being possibilities is that if the B1G AND SEC both decided to play conference only schedules and/or the TV $$$/viewership dried up that ND gets.... Very very very slim chance of either of those things happening imo.
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you might be right
but
while in the past 10-15 years , OSU, Wiscy & NU have all played ND, their main B1G foes (USC, Purdue , UM and MSU ) are increasing less likely to schedule them if 2 losses knocks you out of the CFP.

SEC still only has 8 conference games , They are certainly more likely to maybe schedule them , but even they don’t want to get a third loss in exchange for a game on national TV .

I personally don’t care although I just hate their fandom , but the B1G & SEC teams will quickly tire of ND getting in with 11-1 or 10-2 records because 8 wins are almost a given every year with their schedule as is . Forcing them into an ACC/AAC/MAC/Academy schedule will force them to go 11-1 or 12-0 to get invited.

The next 2-3 years will certainly influence how things go. I suspect they stay independent , but if they ever join up , it will be with the B1G
 
#118      
Battle89
Mr. Tibbs said:
yup
the B1G (incl USC) & SEC need to stop scheduling them for that to occur
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But in your scenario, wouldn't each conference keep scheduling them for fear that if they stopped, ND would eventually join the other?

Edit: whoops, @AZILL said it first.
 
#119      
Bucktown
the juiceman cometh said:
Yeah, unless something changes significantly, ND is never joining a conference.
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This year is a high water mark for Norte Dame.

They aren't making the championship every year. From some quick not terribly verified searches, Notre Dame's TV deal was $22M per year, and the new one is estimated at $50M per year. I am not sure if the the $50M is for the just completed season or the upcoming one. I think is starts in 2025 or 2026. But, even it is for the season that just concluded Notre Dame will be at $70M with TV and Bowls. It is hard to tell, but they might also get some money from the ACC. The Big Ten teams will be just about $85M-105M with bowls and TV. Then when you add in the NCAA basketball that adds another $30Mish. So, if these numbers at all close to being correct, at Notre Dame's highest possible post season football revenue, they still would be better off financially in the Big Ten.
 
#120      
Mr. Tibbs
Battle89 said:
But in your scenario, wouldn't each conference keep scheduling them for fear that if they stopped, ND would eventually join the other?

Edit: whoops, @AZILL said it first.
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in just about every scenario , some involving other sports , ND would NEVER join the SEC
Besides Very little cultural or geographic fit
 
#121      
the juiceman cometh
Bucktown said:
This year is a high water mark for Norte Dame.

They aren't making the championship every year. From some quick not terribly verified searches, Notre Dame's TV deal was $22M per year, and the new one is estimated at $50M per year. I am not sure if the the $50M is for the just completed season or the upcoming one. I think is starts in 2025 or 2026. But, even it is for the season that just concluded Notre Dame will be at $70M with TV and Bowls. It is hard to tell, but they might also get some money from the ACC. The Big Ten teams will be just about $85M-105M with bowls and TV. Then when you add in the NCAA basketball that adds another $30Mish. So, if these numbers at all close to being correct, at Notre Dame's highest possible post season football revenue, they still would be better off financially in the Big Ten.
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Not sure where your numbers are coming from but Big Ten media deal pays about $60-70 million per year to each school. That's not just for football, but football and basketball (it's one media deal). The bowl payout was about $5 million per school. That comes out to $65-75 million per.

You're also forgetting that ND gets $17 million a year from the ACC media deal. So between both media deals that's $67 million, plus whatever they get from bowls that they don't have to share with anyone. Which could be a lot. But even if they only make the Mayo Bowl, it's about what Big Ten teams got in the split from a really good Big Ten postseason.
 
#122      
the Castle on Daniel
I can assure you that year after year of ND potentially earning tens of millions of dollars for themselves to compensate student athletes will cause prompt the B1G and SEC to stop scheduling them. Capitalism.
 
#123      
Mr. Tibbs
the juiceman cometh said:
Not sure where your numbers are coming from but Big Ten media deal pays about $60-70 million per year to each school. That's not just for football, but football and basketball (it's one media deal). The bowl payout was about $5 million per school. That comes out to $65-75 million per.

You're also forgetting that ND gets $17 million a year from the ACC media deal. So between both media deals that's $67 million, plus whatever they get from bowls that they don't have to share with anyone. Which could be a lot. But even if they only make the Mayo Bowl, it's about what Big Ten teams got in the split from a really good Big Ten postseason.
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using google, it says the B1G media rrights deal per school is expected to be 80-100 million.
lets say 85. adding the bowl payout nets each school 90 million

Notre Dame is getting 67 million as is from media rights, and lets say their average payout from CFP/Bowls is 10 million
they net 77 million

not sure if that 13 million shortfall is enough of a game changer or not.

clearly , they are financially better off in the B1G, but maybe not enough to entice affiliation
 
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