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MoCoMdIllini
RabidDawgClassic said:
Both Beckman and Groce tried to use those stupid mnemonic devices (OKSEE, TnT), which is almost always the sign that you’re serving under a poor leader. On top of that, Beckman reportedly had the football officer littered with those posters with inspirational sayings — another sign that your leader may not be the intellectual genius he or she is trying to come off as.
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#334      
ptgrd23
Orange_Blue said:
Not to derail the convo, but Iowa State University is facing a budget challenge ($147m deficit). While it’s good to be in the B10, I am not seeing the current model as sustainable.

www.thegazette.com

Facing $147M deficit, ISU Athletics halts Hilton Coliseum renovation, upping ticket prices

AMES — Iowa State University Athletics — facing a $147 million budget deficit through 2031, or just under $25 million annually over the next six years — is rolling out
www.thegazette.com www.thegazette.com
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I think this is going to be big problem for any school not in P2.

$20M to pay players is big hit. For most schools staying with donor $NIL at lower level was better financially. My understanding schools are capped at $20.5M but don't have to pay this much. Most schools will be like ISU and just have to limit payments to what they can afford.
 
#335      
Mr. Tibbs
ptgrd23 said:
I think this is going to be big problem for any school not in P2.

$20M to pay players is big hit. For most schools staying with donor $NIL at lower level was better financially. My understanding schools are capped at $20.5M but don't have to pay this much. Most schools will be like ISU and just have to limit payments to what they can afford.
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yup

in the next 2-3 years the differences ion talent between the P2 and everyone else in FBS are going to be dramatic
there will be outliers (ND & a few others ) , but for the most part there will be
1. P2

2. B12 and ACC





3. All other schools in FBS
 
#336      
the Castle on Daniel
True, but I wouldn't be surprised if the collapse of the ACC pushes ND to join the B1G. I wouldn't be surprised if ND had already had "back room talks" with the B1G about joining if/when that happens. ND in the SEC is a clash across the board and their primary rivals are almost exclusively in the B1G.

At this point it feels inevitable that we go to 24 teams. The SEC may stop at 20. Who's left?

ND
Clemson
FSU
UNC
UVA
VT?
Stanford?
Cal?
Miami?
GT?

It's unfortunate, but I think we'll end up with Stanford and Cal to make 6 out west. Happy to have ND, but they should have joined when Penn State did. The other three? IDK.

I'd assume Clemson, FSU, and UNC would prefer the SEC over the B1G. IDK about UVA, but it wouldn't surprise me if they leaned SEC. That leaves GT and VT/Miami to the B1G? Or do we throw a curveball and take Kansas and Colorado?
 
#337      
Mr. Tibbs
the Castle on Daniel said:
True, but I wouldn't be surprised if the collapse of the ACC pushes ND to join the B1G. I wouldn't be surprised if ND had already had "back room talks" with the B1G about joining if/when that happens. ND in the SEC is a clash across the board and their primary rivals are almost exclusively in the B1G.

At this point it feels inevitable that we go to 24 teams. The SEC may stop at 20. Who's left?

ND
Clemson
FSU
UNC
UVA
VT?
Stanford?
Cal?
Miami?
GT?

It's unfortunate, but I think we'll end up with Stanford and Cal to make 6 out west. Happy to have ND, but they should have joined when Penn State did. The other three? IDK.

I'd assume Clemson, FSU, and UNC would prefer the SEC over the B1G. IDK about UVA, but it wouldn't surprise me if they leaned SEC. That leaves GT and VT/Miami to the B1G? Or do we throw a curveball and take Kansas and Colorado?
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we will never take teams that take away from the pie . no reason to .

Stanford & Cal will never get in . That ship sailed about 25 years ago .
 
#338      
Joel Goodson
the Castle on Daniel said:
True, but I wouldn't be surprised if the collapse of the ACC pushes ND to join the B1G. I wouldn't be surprised if ND had already had "back room talks" with the B1G about joining if/when that happens. ND in the SEC is a clash across the board and their primary rivals are almost exclusively in the B1G.

At this point it feels inevitable that we go to 24 teams. The SEC may stop at 20. Who's left?

ND
Clemson
FSU
UNC
UVA
VT?
Stanford?
Cal?
Miami?
GT?

It's unfortunate, but I think we'll end up with Stanford and Cal to make 6 out west. Happy to have ND, but they should have joined when Penn State did. The other three? IDK.

I'd assume Clemson, FSU, and UNC would prefer the SEC over the B1G. IDK about UVA, but it wouldn't surprise me if they leaned SEC. That leaves GT and VT/Miami to the B1G? Or do we throw a curveball and take Kansas and Colorado?
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no chance the BIG will invite GT, VA, VT, Kansas or Colorado. small chance for Miami, but really small, IMO (~10%). no chance for Cal or Stanford.

ND will stay independent as long as they have a viable path to the playoffs (and can still schedule a reasonable slate)

my guess is that FSU is very likely the next add. #20 is more interesting. guessing A&M or ASU
 
#339      
the juiceman cometh
Joel Goodson said:
no chance the BIG will invite GT, VA, VT, Kansas or Colorado. small chance for Miami, but really small, IMO (~10%). no chance for Cal or Stanford.

ND will stay independent as long as they have a viable path to the playoffs (and can still schedule a reasonable slate)

my guess is that FSU is very likely the next add. #20 is more interesting. guessing A&M or ASU
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I think the Big Ten would jump at A&M but I'm not sure any team is leaving the SEC for the Big Ten, or vice versa, anytime soon.
 
#341      
TentakilRex
the Castle on Daniel said:
True, but I wouldn't be surprised if the collapse of the ACC pushes ND to join the B1G. I wouldn't be surprised if ND had already had "back room talks" with the B1G about joining if/when that happens. ND in the SEC is a clash across the board and their primary rivals are almost exclusively in the B1G.

At this point it feels inevitable that we go to 24 teams. The SEC may stop at 20. Who's left?

ND
Clemson
FSU
UNC
UVA
VT?
Stanford?
Cal?
Miami?
GT?

It's unfortunate, but I think we'll end up with Stanford and Cal to make 6 out west. Happy to have ND, but they should have joined when Penn State did. The other three? IDK.

I'd assume Clemson, FSU, and UNC would prefer the SEC over the B1G. IDK about UVA, but it wouldn't surprise me if they leaned SEC. That leaves GT and VT/Miami to the B1G? Or do we throw a curveball and take Kansas and Colorado?
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As an amateur full of Dunning-Krueger magic, let me rank them.

ND- If they want in, they are in. However they don't want in...yet!

UNC- this is the hot realignment target even before Jordon Hudson LLC took over the football program. It is a sleeping giant, bordering on comatose. Also the SEC is interested In the AAU.

UVA- the UNC dance partner. Also AAU. Not so impressed by them, but the SEC wants them too.

FSU- Not AAU. Major diva especially last off-season, but football wise I cannot believe schools want UNC over them. What UNC can potentially be, FSU already is. Also being the close number two in a big and CFB crazed market is pretty nice. Also geopolitically adding them to the Big Ten is whatever, but keeping them away from the SEC is much, much important. If the SC gets them, they basically become frontrunners to being a P1.

Clemson- Has an A&M rep, including being a cult. Not an academic institution. In the geopolitical game, it is infinitely better to keep Clemson out of the SEC than letting them into the Big Ten. Best solution for us, have them be the Ohio State of the ACC or Big XII. Will mention the state of South Carolina has a large Ohio immigrant population. Not in the AAU.

Arizona St- The minute they got the AAU invite, they got a lot sexier to the conference. The big question are they fully academically and athletically, especially since Crow neglected athletics. I don't think they are near ready yet, but within most of our lifetimes they will be in the Big Ten. However it will be later.

Arizona- Only in as ASU's dance partner but ASU's stock is rising. Plus the state of Arizona is currently a Midwest colony. AAU member.

Colorado- AAU member. Until Deion was hired, the Buffs neglected athletics. Not coming in soon, but watch this space. Also this is very Deion dependent, but in turns of his legacy and how long stays.

Utah- only in their very delusional fanbase's own minds. Their twitter fanbase is scUM level. However the state of Utah is fast growing. AAU member.

Georgia Tech- AAU member. This is a true darkhouse. Way behind Georgia, but they are in an extremely talent rich state. They are Northwestern on steroids. To me, they are UNC with less rep. The Big Ten can take their sweet time on adding them. However if the SEC somehow, someway wants them, geopolitically keeping them from rejoining the SEC would be big. I am not expecting it though.

Va Tech- Not an AAU member nor has a great academic rep. Culturally vry Appalachian. However definitely should be Oregon State of a P2 system. Ideally they should stay in the ACC or be WVU's rival in a biggger Big XII.

Miami- Really Northwestern with an insane 80s and 2000s run and some major sugar daddies. Fairly small AAU private school without their own stadium. I would not refuse them outright, especially they came with a ND or FSU.

Stanford/Cal- Profs love them, football people don't. Stanford is much more likely to fix themselves, Cal seems like a lost cause. They can play themselves into the conversation, but there are reasons why they are ACC schools right now.

Notes on others- Kansas and Iowa State could be "lifeboat schools" in an Armageddon situation. A&M might be anti-Texas enough to join. Duke could sneak in with UNC especially if a certain alum who lives a governor's mansion in Springfield goes on a political offensive. Pitt is very unlikely but the cookie can still crumble right for them. USF just got AAU membership, but they are nowhere close to prime time. TCU among others has been investing a lot into academics and may try to get that AAU membership.
 
#345      
Bucktown
TentakilRex said:
As an amateur full of Dunning-Krueger magic, let me rank them.

ND- If they want in, they are in. However they don't want in...yet!

UNC- this is the hot realignment target even before Jordon Hudson LLC took over the football program. It is a sleeping giant, bordering on comatose. Also the SEC is interested In the AAU.

UVA- the UNC dance partner. Also AAU. Not so impressed by them, but the SEC wants them too.

FSU- Not AAU. Major diva especially last off-season, but football wise I cannot believe schools want UNC over them. What UNC can potentially be, FSU already is. Also being the close number two in a big and CFB crazed market is pretty nice. Also geopolitically adding them to the Big Ten is whatever, but keeping them away from the SEC is much, much important. If the SC gets them, they basically become frontrunners to being a P1.

Clemson- Has an A&M rep, including being a cult. Not an academic institution. In the geopolitical game, it is infinitely better to keep Clemson out of the SEC than letting them into the Big Ten. Best solution for us, have them be the Ohio State of the ACC or Big XII. Will mention the state of South Carolina has a large Ohio immigrant population. Not in the AAU.

Arizona St- The minute they got the AAU invite, they got a lot sexier to the conference. The big question are they fully academically and athletically, especially since Crow neglected athletics. I don't think they are near ready yet, but within most of our lifetimes they will be in the Big Ten. However it will be later.

Arizona- Only in as ASU's dance partner but ASU's stock is rising. Plus the state of Arizona is currently a Midwest colony. AAU member.

Colorado- AAU member. Until Deion was hired, the Buffs neglected athletics. Not coming in soon, but watch this space. Also this is very Deion dependent, but in turns of his legacy and how long stays.

Utah- only in their very delusional fanbase's own minds. Their twitter fanbase is scUM level. However the state of Utah is fast growing. AAU member.

Georgia Tech- AAU member. This is a true darkhouse. Way behind Georgia, but they are in an extremely talent rich state. They are Northwestern on steroids. To me, they are UNC with less rep. The Big Ten can take their sweet time on adding them. However if the SEC somehow, someway wants them, geopolitically keeping them from rejoining the SEC would be big. I am not expecting it though.

Va Tech- Not an AAU member nor has a great academic rep. Culturally vry Appalachian. However definitely should be Oregon State of a P2 system. Ideally they should stay in the ACC or be WVU's rival in a biggger Big XII.

Miami- Really Northwestern with an insane 80s and 2000s run and some major sugar daddies. Fairly small AAU private school without their own stadium. I would not refuse them outright, especially they came with a ND or FSU.

Stanford/Cal- Profs love them, football people don't. Stanford is much more likely to fix themselves, Cal seems like a lost cause. They can play themselves into the conversation, but there are reasons why they are ACC schools right now.

Notes on others- Kansas and Iowa State could be "lifeboat schools" in an Armageddon situation. A&M might be anti-Texas enough to join. Duke could sneak in with UNC especially if a certain alum who lives a governor's mansion in Springfield goes on a political offensive. Pitt is very unlikely but the cookie can still crumble right for them. USF just got AAU membership, but they are nowhere close to prime time. TCU among others has been investing a lot into academics and may try to get that AAU membership.
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Georgia Tech would be a perfect cultural fit. I can see an easy GT IL rivalry.
 
#346      
Mr. Tibbs
Bucktown said:
Georgia Tech would be a perfect cultural fit. I can see an easy GT IL rivalry.
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that’s an expensive rivalry if it costs us 2-3 million per year . not to mention what it costs everyone else in the league
 
#348      
mattcoldagelli
the juiceman cometh said:
Then you gotta pull hard for Miami, because you know the Big Ten is going to want to get into Florida if/when the ACC implodes.

Edit: And actually Miami would be awesome. Especially if we got ND also. ND/Miami and Nebraska/Miami old school rivalries could be back in the cards.
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If I had my way, we would not go into Florida at all. For all the people fretting about "the cultural fit" being lost in the expansion of the B1G, there was one deep historical tie that was absolutely honored, which you can understand with an accurate reading of this map:

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That said, if we must be in Florida, The U is the best option, by a good margin.
 
#349      
the juiceman cometh
mattcoldagelli said:
If I had my way, we would not go into Florida at all. For all the people fretting about "the cultural fit" being lost in the expansion of the B1G, there was one deep historical tie that was absolutely honored, which you can understand with an accurate reading of this map:

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That said, if we must be in Florida, The U is the best option, by a good margin.
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Don't disagree at all, but I don't expect that historical tie to survive the corporatization of college athletics. And if I was a cynical corporate exec reading the room one conclusion I'd make is in the current climate, being firmly on either side of the line you're pointing out, but particularly on the side of the line the Big 10 currently occupies, is a risky proposition.
 
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