This is what the Athletic had as the initial proposal.
Ohio St and that entire Midwest region makes zero sense.
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Ohio St and that entire Midwest region makes zero sense.
Illini in Italy
- Illini HQ, Florida Panhandle
100% they did it to keep ScUM and tOSU in separate divisions. Swap Illinois and tOSU and the regional alignment is MUCH closer to reality.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It is, as others have pointed out, a PR exercise for people that are being bulldozed over by the actual state of play in college sports, the B1G and SEC's now-inevitable NFL-ization.
It's a message board post, essentially.
A good one, as message board posts go, but what bugs me is that if you're nuking TV competition from the system in your hypothetical, just put the old conferences back together! TV competition destroyed the conferences and eliminating TV competition would remove any barrier to restoring the conferences.
That's something a lot of fans don't understand in a clear way and more people should say it.
Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
Who was debating unequal revenue shares yesterday? Here's the first move.
Sure any school can schedule more home games today, but they pay for it when scheduling patsies. In the new league the winners are rewarded the extra home game for free, plus get all the incremental gate and concession and other revenue, while the losers get an away game.
Shief
- Champaign Area
Having Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan schools grouped together makes sense and Iowa schools, Nebraska, and Wisconsin in another group also works. Mixing OSU in with Iowa, ISU, Neb., Wisc., and Minn. does not make sense.
Since the powers that be are trying to have each division have a marquee team and then go down from there, I am almost tempted to switch Mich., MSU, and NW for OSU, Iowa, and ISU, so that things could be split into Northern and Southern Midwest divisions, but Iowa and ISU probably want to play Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin instead.
Any idea how cross-divisional games might work? Play 5x games in division and then 7x games outside of the division, likely playing a team for 7x different divisions. I'd prefer to play Iowa, ISU, and Wisconsin regularly.
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
was gonna put this in the NIL thread, but it's locked
Private equity is knocking on the door: https://www.si.com/college-football/pitch-college-football-super-league-private-equity
that’s the same proposal discussed about a week ago
takes from P2, gives to B12 & ACC
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
no idea what percentage of the total pie this is, but nevertheless it's pretty good:
It doesn't necessarily take from the B1G or SEC, it would add to the top of each conference and possibly hurt the smaller market schools.
The part that makes me think people COULD like it is the tiered revenue, here's a better article:
https://sports.yahoo.com/while-sec-...radically-alter-college-sports-130031534.html
- Tier 1: the top 16 schools earn per-school revenue projections from $130 million in Year 4, escalating to $250 million in Year 12 (double the SEC and Big Ten’s current distribution rate).
- Tier 2: the next 22 schools earn revenue of $60-$110 million (similar to the SEC and Big Ten current rates).
- Tier 3: the last 32 schools earn projections of $30-$60 million (similar to the Big 12 and ACC rates).
If you look at it that way, it sounds tempting. That said, I highly doubt the B1G and SEC want another voice at the table directing things. And we all know deals with PE rarely work out for the best of those taking the $$ in the long run. Also, I'm sure the B1G and SEC have modeled out what their media deals could be in 12+ years so they might be higher than what this deal proposes.
yea, private equity guys aren’t doing this to make 20%. while very little surprises me anymore , I would be a bit shocked if the top tier of 4-5 schools in our league are really tempted to get suckered in to an arrangement where they give up control and really end up with very little extra after the PE guys carve out a huge slice for themselves .
besides UCLA & maybe Maryland , to my knowledge none of the other members need to sell their souls to balance the budget right now . PE guys are needed when you need a TON of cash right away . no one is really in that boat .
PE guys are like payday loan outfits
besides UCLA & maybe Maryland , to my knowledge none of the other members need to sell their souls to balance the budget right now . PE guys are needed when you need a TON of cash right away . no one is really in that boat .
PE guys are like payday loan outfits
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- Batavia
Private equity can KMA, and I hope the Power 2 schools agree and will handle it all on their own.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It's a different proposal from a different group of people, but yes, the effect is similar in that it would stop the intra-conference competition at a moment when the P2 is only going to increase its financial dominance over the field year-on-year. So the P2 have no incentive to make the grand bargain now, their leverage will increase in the future and they know it.
It will come for everyone eventually when the business practices demand that revenue always goes up year after year come hell or high water. College football, like all sports are going to sell every millimeter of their soul to the last penny, but only when the time and price is right.
And on that note, don't let this bit go unnoticed:
Feeding the Pac 12 into the woodchipper was enough to keep the wolves happy this time around. It is a matter of time until it's Illinois' turn.
correct me if I’m wrong but
don’t all franchises in the NFL , NBA & NHL get equal shares of league media revenue even tho some small number of teams generate the majority of that revenue ?
MLB is an outlier here as the majority of media rights are franchise owned
NFL treats all teams fairly equal . Dallas gets the same dividend check that Cincinnati gets . it’s why J Jones has figured out how to maximize all revenue streams in his control .
This seems to me to be pretty much what the B1G & SEC are going towards . the schools need to figure out how to do that as well . it’s not rocket science . there is no reason to share media unequally . it won’t work long term . it never does in life .
don’t all franchises in the NFL , NBA & NHL get equal shares of league media revenue even tho some small number of teams generate the majority of that revenue ?
MLB is an outlier here as the majority of media rights are franchise owned
NFL treats all teams fairly equal . Dallas gets the same dividend check that Cincinnati gets . it’s why J Jones has figured out how to maximize all revenue streams in his control .
This seems to me to be pretty much what the B1G & SEC are going towards . the schools need to figure out how to do that as well . it’s not rocket science . there is no reason to share media unequally . it won’t work long term . it never does in life .
The big unknown over time is if a few top tier schools break away and stop playing others with big fan and alumni bases, will that erode the product and viewership?
Let’s say illinois and Iowa or Wisky no longer play Michigan, PSU and Ohio State, will the fans of those UI, Iowa and Wisky continue to watch OSU, PSU and scUM? Will others watch this breakaway league that typically are NFL fans? Where will the eyeballs and demand come from if the main competition is the NFL?
Maybe demand will remain or go up as people love football, but there are no certainties and certainly is risk associated with that model.
Let’s say illinois and Iowa or Wisky no longer play Michigan, PSU and Ohio State, will the fans of those UI, Iowa and Wisky continue to watch OSU, PSU and scUM? Will others watch this breakaway league that typically are NFL fans? Where will the eyeballs and demand come from if the main competition is the NFL?
Maybe demand will remain or go up as people love football, but there are no certainties and certainly is risk associated with that model.
Illini in Italy
- Illini HQ, Florida Panhandle
Yup, nope, nope, nowhere and nope. It becomes a minor league that will compete with entities like the USFL, XFL, and OtherFL's that will be a subpar product and die a very bloody, messy death due to lack of viewers.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
BTW brilliant idea, let people who might have thought The Acolyte was a neat idea reshaped college football lol....
Again, like the earlier one, this is driven by people on the outside looking in. Nice press release sure, but what do a bunch of former Disney execs (not ESPN even) with a cheesy name "Project Rudy" have to offer except knowing how to do use power point?
all they have to offer is equity not debt
untold amounts of equity that will put them in control , not to make a 20% or 30% return , but 60% or more
it’s a deal with the devil . the B1G ( and SEC) brain trust is not that stupid .
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Universities are non profit institutions. In many cases run by state government. By selling share to PE they effectively become for profit. Can't see that happening.
Conferences that are going bankrupt should shut down. Schools that are losing money on sports should shut down / scale down sports programs.
Lots of schools survive without football.
Conferences that are going bankrupt should shut down. Schools that are losing money on sports should shut down / scale down sports programs.
Lots of schools survive without football.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- Batavia
I would hope that the university presidents and the B1G and SEC are smart enough to know that they are fully capable of figuring this out on their own without private equity coming in, sucking money off the system like a leach, and cheapening the product on the field.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Yes, the B1G and SEC are already sucking money off the system and cheapening the product on the field by themselves perfectly well.
yup
they dont need any help from Wall St dudes to do that
I find it interesting (and hypocritical) that universities, the supposed paragons of virtue when it comes to societal matters, turns a blind eye to the consumption of oil and the subsequent effect on the environment when it suits their purpose.
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