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Joel Goodson said:
Maybe it's semantics, and it's certainly political, but I think Warren and company would much rather have schools initiate the process rather than vice versa. That could change, but I don't think the current situation calls for poaching mode.
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I agree it is very much semantics so does it matter who initiates? At the end of the day the school chooses to leave. The TX/OU surprise has told us it’s impossible to know what may be going on secretly with other conferences. I wouldn’t wait for the phone to ring. I’d like to think that the BIG is at least working/building relationships to set up an informal right of first refusal with premium PAC and ACC schools (i.e. if / before you decide to leave for the SEC please allow us to give you our best offer). Although I doubt the BIG set this up for Texas. I’m sure It takes a lot of relationship building with a school to put this arrangement in place which was not done for TX. Was it a wake up call for the BIG?

Maintaining the option to negotiate joining the BIG is another reason why I am not a fan of the friendly PAC/ACC/BIG alliance, because it can create a conflict of interest with the business aspect of realignment. I’m guessing that Sankey’s lack of “friendly” ties with Bowlsby helped make the TX/OU move happen.
 
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…INI said:
I agree it is very much semantics so does it matter who initiates? At the end of the day the school chooses to leave. The TX/OU surprise has told us it’s impossible to know what may be going on secretly with other conferences. I wouldn’t wait for the phone to ring. I’d like to think that the BIG is at least working/building relationships to set up an informal right of first refusal with premium PAC and ACC schools (i.e. if / before you decide to leave for the SEC please allow us to give you our best offer). Although I doubt the BIG set this up for Texas. I’m sure It takes a lot of relationship building with a school to put this arrangement in place which was not done for TX. Was it a wake up call for the BIG?

Maintaining the option to negotiate joining the BIG is another reason why I am not a fan of the friendly PAC/ACC/BIG alliance, because it can create a conflict of interest with the business aspect of realignment. I’m guessing that Sankey’s lack of “friendly” ties with Bowlsby helped make the TX/OU move happen.
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Then again, a scheduling alliance could be an easy first step for target schools to
1. Figure out the travel aspect and realize it isn't a deal breaker hurdle
2. Allow their fan base to get used to playing some of the more distant teams so that it is not as large of a culture shock if a more permanent change develops
 
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IlliniKat91

IlliniKat91
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dcphx said:
Then again, a scheduling alliance could be an easy first step for target schools to
1. Figure out the travel aspect and realize it isn't a deal breaker hurdle
2. Allow their fan base to get used to playing some of the more distant teams so that it is not as large of a culture shock if a more permanent change develops
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Also allows a somewhat organic formation of rivalries with members of other conferences, which for some reason seems to be a big sticking point for some people.
 
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Champaignheat said:
Here is my "dream" scenario:

Have the following schools from the PAC 12:

West Division (all AAU schools):

USC
UCLA
Stanford
California
Oregon
Washington
Utah
Arizona

The Central Division is:

Illinois
Northwestern
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Kansas
Notre Dame

The East Division

Michigan
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Penn St.
Maryland
Indiana
Purdue
Pittsburgh

Atlantic Division

Duke
North Carolina
Clemson
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
FSU
Rutgers

Have each division winner play a qualify for a conference playoff.

Play each team in your division and then play the corresponding same place team in the other divisions from the following year. Two non-conference games.

The Great BIG Conference
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Drop the whole Atlantic Division and move Rutgers to Pitts spot. Drop ND from the Central. Then you might not be far off
 
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dcphx said:
Then again, a scheduling alliance could be an easy first step for target schools to
1. Figure out the travel aspect and realize it isn't a deal breaker hurdle
2. Allow their fan base to get used to playing some of the more distant teams so that it is not as large of a culture shock if a more permanent change develops
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I’ll buy that…alliance could serve as a trial period. Just hope it doesn’t get too “friendly”. 🙂
 
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KevinC

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dcphx said:
If you think football money will be spread around the NCAA, I believe you fundamentally misunderstand the interests of the parties involved in P5 conferences.
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I think that you must have misread what I was saying. It was a supposition that the money not go just to the teams playing in the playoffs but, rather be treated like the NCAA basketball money. The NCAA keeps a lot of that money currently but, still pays out quite a bit to the conferences. If you remove the NCAA grab and take, quite a bit of that money could still be paid out to schools other than the ones that are playing in the games as was proposed by the individual that I was responding to. The money may only be paid out to the P5 conferences but, it might still reach the hands of more than the 12 or so playing. I do know exactly the interests of those in a position of power. There is always greed and resentment to sharing any of that money. The athletes should have been much better compensated for many decades. I could speak for hours about that but, I will leave it alone
 
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WeWillWhen

WeWillWhen
WeWillWhen
I'm not sure how a three conference alliance materially adds to the bottom lines of existing BIG teams. I think that if the BIG can poach a team that will add lots of eyeballs in a major media market -- like USC, Tex A&M, maybe Stanford, or of course ND -- then do it. I don't see Colorado, Oregon or any of the remaining Big XII really doing that. In terms of the "alliance", do we really want to make the non-conf schedules more difficult by trading Sun Belt cupcakes for P5 teams?
 
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ChiefGritty

ChiefGritty
Chicago, IL
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428690320271810561

This all smells of empty posturing to me, but I'll shut up about it until we hear something official which is apparently quite imminent.

I'm reminded of that Geico commercial where the dumb horror movie teens decide to hide from the murderer behind the chainsaws instead of getting into the running car.
 
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ILL_INI

ILL_INI
ILL_INI
ChiefGritty said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428690320271810561

This all smells of empty posturing to me, but I'll shut up about it until we hear something official which is apparently quite imminent.

I'm reminded of that Geico commercial where the dumb horror movie teens decide to hide from the murderer behind the chainsaws instead of getting into the running car.
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I'm hoping the conferences will announce that any future playoff agreement will have a limit of one team per conference. That will hopefully put a stop to all this conference expansion talk.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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Bloomington, IL
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ILL_INI said:
I'm hoping the conferences will announce that any future playoff agreement will have a limit of one team per conference. That will hopefully put a stop to all this conference expansion talk.
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That sounds great until OSU is #1 in the country and UIUC is #2 and we get shut out of the playoffs because of a one team per conference limit.

A guy can dream, right?
 
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Serious Late

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ChiefGritty said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428690320271810561

This all smells of empty posturing to me, but I'll shut up about it until we hear something official which is apparently quite imminent.

I'm reminded of that Geico commercial where the dumb horror movie teens decide to hide from the murderer behind the chainsaws instead of getting into the running car.
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I'm a bit confused. Doesn't this fall pretty well in line with what you were hoping for? We aren't poaching other relevant conferences and the alliance seems to be about a focus on more than just football. These 3 conferences sponsor more sports than the SEC and as a collective can better dictate the future of college athletics beyond just football.

I don't know exactly what this means, but it feels like several conferences coming together to say "hey, let's not send this spiraling down longer term for the sake of some quick money grab today".
 
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Homecoming 2019

Homecoming 2019
Chicago
Homecoming 2019
ChiefGritty said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428690320271810561

This all smells of empty posturing to me, but I'll shut up about it until we hear something official which is apparently quite imminent.

I'm reminded of that Geico commercial where the dumb horror movie teens decide to hide from the murderer behind the chainsaws instead of getting into the running car.
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Could this alliance thrive in a world where they just completely ignore the SEC entirely? Creating their own playoff series, playing only intra-conference opponents. Seems somewhat feasible with that many teams, though I'm not sure the NCAA would allow such a thing.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ransom Stoddard
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Bloomington, IL
Ransom Stoddard
Homecoming 2019 said:
Could this alliance thrive in a world where they just completely ignore the SEC entirely? Creating their own playoff series, playing only intra-conference opponents. Seems somewhat feasible with that many teams, though I'm not sure the NCAA would allow such a thing.
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The NCAA has nothing to do with bowl games, and probably very little to do with scheduling of non-conference games. But even if they did, screw the NCAA.
 
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Joel Goodson

Joel Goodson
respect my decision™
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Homecoming 2019 said:
Could this alliance thrive in a world where they just completely ignore the SEC entirely? Creating their own playoff series, playing only intra-conference opponents. Seems somewhat feasible with that many teams, though I'm not sure the NCAA would allow such a thing.
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The NCAA has no sway here. The Alliance is going to stop playing non-conference games with the SEC. Of course, playoff games are another story. But The Alliance is going to make sure that ESPN and the SEC don't dictate the terms of the new playoff deal (strength in numbers).
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Ransom Stoddard
Joel Goodson said:
The NCAA has no sway here. The Alliance is going to stop playing non-conference games with the SEC. Of course, playoff games are another story. But The Alliance is going to make sure that ESPN and the SEC don't dictate the terms of the new playoff deal (strength in numbers).
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I just realized that history is repeating itself here, although for different reasons:

College Football Association - Wikipedia

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The College Football Association (CFA) was a group formed by many of the American colleges with top-level college football programs in order to negotiate contracts with TV networks to televise football games. It was formed in 1977 by 63 schools from most of the major college football conferences and selected schools whose football programs were independent of any conference.
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#774      

dcphx

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KevinC said:
I think that you must have misread what I was saying. It was a supposition that the money not go just to the teams playing in the playoffs but, rather be treated like the NCAA basketball money. The NCAA keeps a lot of that money currently but, still pays out quite a bit to the conferences. If you remove the NCAA grab and take, quite a bit of that money could still be paid out to schools other than the ones that are playing in the games as was proposed by the individual that I was responding to. The money may only be paid out to the P5 conferences but, it might still reach the hands of more than the 12 or so playing. I do know exactly the interests of those in a position of power. There is always greed and resentment to sharing any of that money. The athletes should have been much better compensated for many decades. I could speak for hours about that but, I will leave it alone
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When Ohio State is in the playoffs, the B1G gets the payout (minus some expenses), not OSU. Same for every other conference. So sharing between the conference members is already happening.

What I don't think will ever happen is that the P4/5 negotiate a huge payday for a playoff and they decide to gift a portion of that money to schools outside the P4/5. The closest they will come is granting the Group of 5 conferences a semi-guaranteed playoff slot and then the G5 can decide themselves how to share that money. But independents BYU, ND, Army & others won't get a penny unless they qualify for the playoffs.

Edit: just for clarity, there are only 10 conferences in FBS, the P5 and G5. There are also 7 independents.
 
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KevinC

KevinC
KevinC
dcphx said:
When Ohio State is in the playoffs, the B1G gets the payout (minus some expenses), not OSU. Same for every other conference. So sharing between the conference members is already happening.

What I don't think will ever happen is that the P4/5 negotiate a huge payday for a playoff and they decide to gift a portion of that money to schools outside the P4/5. The closest they will come is granting the Group of 5 conferences a semi-guaranteed playoff slot and then the G5 can decide themselves how to share that money. But independents BYU, ND, Army & others won't get a penny unless they qualify for the playoffs.

Edit: just for clarity, there are only 10 conferences in FBS, the P5 and G5. There are also 7 independents.
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My reply was to an individual saying that the money would go to those schools participating.
 
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