Conference Realignment

#28      
I love this map. Make something like this happen pronto!

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I don't hate it but something about Kansas and mountains does not sit right :LOL:

Edit as I just saw the post from @TheGMan !

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#29      
Still doesn't account for Louisville or Notre Dame...

I did see somewhere that the conference foes with the most separation is now Stanford-Boston College, just ahead of Cal-BC. Maybe the Frequent Fliers Conference (FFC)?
Our teams on the coasts donā€™t have it much better. It does make me wonder how/if it will affect recruiting. College athletes have it hard enough without all the additional jet lag, especially for sports with mid-week and weekend matches.
 
#33      

IlliniSaluki

IL metro east burbs of St. Louis
If/when there is a super conference, I doubt that it will have 60 teams in it.
I've always felt after all this movement started up again that the B1G & SEC would probably end up at 20-24 teams each and break away or make the NCAA to create a new top division. This new division would be just the B1G & SEC and it would similar to the AFC-NFC NFL model. Over in the Basketball section that tweet was also posted and someone mentioned they are looking at possibly breaking Football and Men's basketball away from the NCAA with potentially added the Big East in Basketball. I would say they should add Big 12 basketball but I doubt the Big 12 would allow that without also taking football in and that's probably a no go for the B1G/SEC in all this.
 
#35      

redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
I've always felt after all this movement started up again that the B1G & SEC would probably end up at 20-24 teams each and break away or make the NCAA to create a new top division. This new division would be just the B1G & SEC and it would similar to the AFC-NFC NFL model. Over in the Basketball section that tweet was also posted and someone mentioned they are looking at possibly breaking Football and Men's basketball away from the NCAA with potentially added the Big East in Basketball. I would say they should add Big 12 basketball but I doubt the Big 12 would allow that without also taking football in and that's probably a no go for the B1G/SEC in all this.
Youā€™re right, itā€™s hard to see how the Big 12 gets complete access for basketball but gets left out for football. But at the same time a tournament with no access for Duke and Kansas and Arizona seems completely illegitimate. Maybe the answer is that the Power 2 just uses its leverage to in essence take over the March Madness tournament by creating an invitational tournament and inviting all the deserving teams. Then maybe they settle with the NCAA to have a tournament with shared control / profit between the two entities. Thereā€™s probably a solution like that down the road. But the initial threat is going to be a B1G-SEC only tournament, which is Iā€™ll be a brutal pill to swallow.
 
#37      
i think it's best for everyone if FBS football just breaks away completely from NCAA division 1 sports. all of the realignment in my lifetime has been driven by football tv revenue (except the resurrected Big East, which was necessitated because football killed the original Big East). i don't know how it would work, but football conferences should just be their own thing separate from other sports.

like, there should be conferences for football and then conferences for every other sport. the football ones are driven by the tv agreements that are driving everything now, while the "every other sport" conferences will aim for cross sport compatibility, logistical simplicity and reduced costs.
 
#38      
i think it's best for everyone if FBS football just breaks away completely from NCAA division 1 sports. all of the realignment in my lifetime has been driven by football tv revenue (except the resurrected Big East, which was necessitated because football killed the original Big East). i don't know how it would work, but football conferences should just be their own thing separate from other sports.

like, there should be conferences for football and then conferences for every other sport. the football ones are driven by the tv agreements that are driving everything now, while the "every other sport" conferences will aim for cross sport compatibility, logistical simplicity and reduced costs.
The problem that comes from this is that all the other sports heavily rely on the money from football. If they take their ball and go play somewhere else, most other non-revenue sports will disappear. Basketball for the most part could support itself, but everything else will have it's funding drop dramatically if football does it's own thing.
 
#39      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
The problem that comes from this is that all the other sports heavily rely on the money from football. If they take their ball and go play somewhere else, most other non-revenue sports will disappear. Basketball for the most part could support itself, but everything else will have it's funding drop dramatically if football does it's own thing.
Just because there is a separate governing system for FBS football doesn't necessarily mean there can't still be the cross-subsidy within schools.

I do think it's a longshot, but it's an interesting idea.
 
#40      
Just because there is a separate governing system for FBS football doesn't necessarily mean there can't still be the cross-subsidy within schools.

I do think it's a longshot, but it's an interesting idea.
I just can't imagine FBS leagues, conferences, or teams will be altruistic to help support other sports when they could eat the whole pie themselves.

For it to work, schools would basically have to charge teams rent for facilities or something to make sure the revenue gets to other sports. Then you'd have the same problem with college teams as you do with NFL teams asking the city/university to foot the bill for expensive new stadiums and facilities or they'll leave.
 
#41      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I just can't imagine FBS leagues, conferences, or teams will be altruistic to help support other sports when they could eat the whole pie themselves.

For it to work, schools would basically have to charge teams rent for facilities or something to make sure the revenue gets to other sports. Then you'd have the same problem with college teams as you do with NFL teams asking the city/university to foot the bill for expensive new stadiums and facilities or they'll leave.
Well for one thing it's the same schools. It's Illinois Football supporting Illinois Volleyball.

And then the other point is that it's not NCAA rules that allocate money that way, nor the goodness of administrator's hearts, it's the mandates of Title IX. You have to have a certain number of women's scholarship sports, which necessarily costs a certain amount of money, and football is where money comes from.
 
#42      
Well for one thing it's the same schools. It's Illinois Football supporting Illinois Volleyball.

And then the other point is that it's not NCAA rules that allocate money that way, nor the goodness of administrator's hearts, it's the mandates of Title IX. You have to have a certain number of women's scholarship sports, which necessarily costs a certain amount of money, and football is where money comes from.
Will that still be true when/if football does their own thing? It's entirely possible once football goes and does it's own thing they are just one small step away from dissociating from schools and just being minor league football.
 
#43      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Will that still be true when/if football does their own thing? It's entirely possible once football goes and does it's own thing they are just one small step away from dissociating from schools and just being minor league football.
As long as they are attached to the schools, yeah, Title IX still applies.

True independence from the schools as a minor league for non-student professionals would (probably) be different, but jeez, isn't this terrible enough already?
 
#44      
As long as they are attached to the schools, yeah, Title IX still applies.

True independence from the schools as a minor league for non-student professionals would (probably) be different, but jeez, isn't this terrible enough already?
I truly don't want it to happen, but if football starts to separate and forms their own leagues I think this will be the inevitable end unless the NFL decides to kill it instead of embracing it.
 
#45      
maybe don't completely separate football from everything else then, but at the very least everyone has to have this reckoning about, like, UCLA and Rutgers being conference rivals for sports that play during the week and come to some agreement to turn football conferences into football-only conferences. we all know that under no reasonable system where football isn't a factor would cal be in the ACC.

i mean we are at a point where nobody would find it crazy to just make the conference basketball season a 17-game round robin.
 
#46      
As long as they are attached to the schools, yeah, Title IX still applies.

True independence from the schools as a minor league for non-student professionals would (probably) be different, but jeez, isn't this terrible enough already?
Once you remove academics, there are no student athletes or scholarships, so no Title IX.
 
#49      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL