Cubs 2022 Season

#326      
I think i read somewhere that the Rockies are paying roughly $ 50 million of Arenado's remaing contract........hard to believe a team would trade a star like Arenado and give the other team $ 50 million also.......lol
Yeah it was something like Rockies were covering $30 million automatically. They would cover another $20 million if he didn't opt out. Not sure if that just meant the 2021 one which he declined or if included the last opt out in 2022 also. Either way there is a reason the GM resigned last season. Only problem is new regime signed Kris Bryant afterwards :ROFLMAO:
 
#327      

St. Louis Cardinals star third baseman Nolan Arenado will not opt out at the end of the season. This is a big win for John Mozeliak and company.​

Nolan Arenado will stay with the St. Louis Cardinals for the next few seasons. Arenado’s contact came with two available opt outs, with the first in 2021.

The second one came this year, but Arenado will stay with the Cardinals, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today:


Arenado’s decision comes at a time when fans fretted if he would actually opt out and test free agency. Those worries can now be put to the wayside.

Arenado will be your third baseman until he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2028. This is wonderful news for the Cardinals organization, but Mozeliak and company should not be done yet.

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This talk of Arenado opting out here on this board seems nothing more than wishful thinking by other teams and fans wanting him to come their way......

it ain't happening folks ......carry on...

I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m not saying it won’t happen, but I’m going to wait for someone other than Bob Nightengale reporting it for me to believe it.
 
#328      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Yeah it was something like Rockies were covering $30 million automatically. They would cover another $20 million if he didn't opt out. Not sure if that just meant the 2021 one which he declined or if included the last opt out in 2022 also. Either way there is a reason the GM resigned last season. Only problem is new regime signed Kris Bryant afterwards :ROFLMAO:
That signing of Kris B. was so puzzling to me after trading away an elite player like Arenado and signing an overrated injury prone player like Bryant......
 
#329      

Shane Walsh

aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
That signing of Kris B. was so puzzling to me after trading away an elite player like Arenado and signing an overrated injury prone player like Bryant......
"It would come to light later that he demanded out early into his contract extension signed in February of 2019. He felt disrespected by then-General Manager Jeff Bridich, and felt the Rockies’ front office had failed to build around him like they had promised. Two years later almost to the day, Arenado was gone."


As for the Bryant signing? I suspect it was to replace Arenado's name on the Marquee.
 
#330      

Shane Walsh

aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
Does anyone here actually believe that the Cubs will make a serious run at any of the big 4 shortstops mentioned above? If so, I got some oceanfront in Arizona I can get you in, real cheap....
 
#331      
Does anyone here actually believe that the Cubs will make a serious run at any of the big 4 shortstops mentioned above? If so, I got some oceanfront in Arizona I can get you in, real cheap....

The Cubs are projected to have a payroll at about $105mm after arbitration next year. For the purposes of calculating the luxury tax, it’ll be even less than that because they’re releasing Heyward. So, they’ll be about $150mm under the tax threshold.

They’d need to spend at least $40 million just to get the payroll up to what it was at the beginning of this year, which put them right at league average payroll.

So, they can sign one of the top FA SS’s and a mid-tier starting pitcher and be right at this year’s payroll. There have been a lot of stories in the press that the Cubs will be willing to spend more than that. We’ll see.
 
#332      
Does anyone here actually believe that the Cubs will make a serious run at any of the big 4 shortstops mentioned above? If so, I got some oceanfront in Arizona I can get you in, real cheap....
100%. They already tried to get Correa last year. He was turned off by the rebuilding, so the talks ended quickly.

Trea Turner has already been asked about it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/trea-turner-mandatory-know-plan-if-cubs-call-free-agency

Cubs are consistently among the top teams in revenue, and since being acquired by the Ricketts have typically been top 5 in payroll as well. The spendthrift ways of the last couple of years had more to do with avoiding salary cap penalties and then having no one worthy of a big payday left in the organization.
 
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Shane Walsh

aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
The Cubs are projected to have a payroll at about $105mm after arbitration next year. For the purposes of calculating the luxury tax, it’ll be even less than that because they’re releasing Heyward. So, they’ll be about $150mm under the tax threshold.

They’d need to spend at least $40 million just to get the payroll up to what it was at the beginning of this year, which put them right at league average payroll.

So, they can sign one of the top FA SS’s and a mid-tier starting pitcher and be right at this year’s payroll. There have been a lot of stories in the press that the Cubs will be willing to spend more than that. We’ll see.

"Ownership talk of “progress” and being “very active,” however, is undoubtedly an effort to boost fan interest for the 2023 season, but with so much work yet to be done, it’s hard to imagine the Cubs turning things around and competing as early as next season. Even if they were to add a marquee shortstop this winter, they’d likely be doing so while simultaneously bidding farewell to one of the game’s better catchers, rendering a theoretical new addition closer to a break-even proposition than it’d appear at first glance (from an overall team value perspective).

If anything, the biggest factor in the Cubs’ “progress” seems to just be the passing of time. They’re one year closer to being out from under Heyward’s contract and shedding smaller but unpalatable contractual commitments (e.g. David Bote, the money being paid to the Padres under the Darvish trade). By the time the 2023-24 offseason rolls around, the Cubs will be down to $50MM in guaranteed money on the following season’s books — or just $29MM if Stroman opts out. That 2024 season feels like a more realistic target for a truly competitive roster."

 
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Cardinals fan but I always love talking baseball. Plus I have a soft spot as grew up during the WGN days and saw many of those 90s Cubs games.

So are the Cubs bringing back Contreras? He will get a major boost up in salary

Heyward is getting released, but doesn't most of that salary count towards the salary cap still for next season? Not a huge deal since would only be one year. Haven't looked at his contract, Isn't it something like that salary minus what his new team would give him is what what count on salary cap?
 
#336      
"Ownership talk of “progress” and being “very active,” however, is undoubtedly an effort to boost fan interest for the 2023 season, but with so much work yet to be done, it’s hard to imagine the Cubs turning things around and competing as early as next season. Even if they were to add a marquee shortstop this winter, they’d likely be doing so while simultaneously bidding farewell to one of the game’s better catchers, rendering a theoretical new addition closer to a break-even proposition than it’d appear at first glance (from an overall team value perspective).

If anything, the biggest factor in the Cubs’ “progress” seems to just be the passing of time. They’re one year closer to being out from under Heyward’s contract and shedding smaller but unpalatable contractual commitments (e.g. David Bote, the money being paid to the Padres under the Darvish trade). By the time the 2023-24 offseason rolls around, the Cubs will be down to $50MM in guaranteed money on the following season’s books — or just $29MM if Stroman opts out. That 2024 season feels like a more realistic target for a truly competitive roster."


Everything you say is true, but they’re not going to go into next season with a payroll in the bottom third of MLB. They didn’t even do that during the dregs of the 2012-2014 rebuild.

They’re going to spend money up to the middle of MLB on somebody, and I suspect they’re more likely to spend that money on good players instead of bad players.

And the good players in the off-season are largely going to be short stops. Certainly, they could go a different direction like sign Mancini, Nimmo and Eovaldi, or a similar combination, but that wouldn’t be contrary to my main point:

If they spent up to $140mm payroll this year by signing Stroman, Suzuki, Miley, etc., they’ll certainly do at least that next year.
 
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Cardinals fan but I always love talking baseball. Plus I have a soft spot as grew up during the WGN days and saw many of those 90s Cubs games.

So are the Cubs bringing back Contreras? He will get a major boost up in salary

Heyward is getting released, but doesn't most of that salary count towards the salary cap still for next season? Not a huge deal since would only be one year. Haven't looked at his contract, Isn't it something like that salary minus what his new team would give him is what what count on salary cap?

I think they’ll make an effort to re-sign Contreras. I think there’s a non-zero chance that he just takes the QO.

My understanding is that contracts not on the 40-man roster do not count against the luxury tax calculation. So, when the Cubs release Heyward, they’ll still be on the hook to pay his salary, but that salary won’t count against the luxury tax.
 
#339      
Cardinals fan but I always love talking baseball. Plus I have a soft spot as grew up during the WGN days and saw many of those 90s Cubs games.

So are the Cubs bringing back Contreras? He will get a major boost up in salary

Heyward is getting released, but doesn't most of that salary count towards the salary cap still for next season? Not a huge deal since would only be one year. Haven't looked at his contract, Isn't it something like that salary minus what his new team would give him is what what count on salary cap?
Contreras is a big question mark. I think they will carefully monitor his negotiations, but they don't want to outbid themselves. He will certainly get the qualifying offer. I'm sure both parties have numbers in their head, and they aren't particularly close. Perhaps the market won't bear what Willson and his agents think he will get, and it stays in line with what the Cubs are comfortable guaranteeing, but who knows... Sounds like the trade offers they received were so underwhelming that the draft compensation the will receive if he leaves has more perceived value than what they were being offered.

As for Heyward, yes they will still owe him 22 million for 2023, as well as 5 million a year in deferred money/signing bonus (Not against the cap) from 2024-27.

That said, the Cubs only have Stroman (25), Suzuki(18), and Hendricks(14) set to make more than 10 million next season. (Happ will likely get there in his final year of arbitration)
Suzuki is the only guy on the team with a non-arbitration or player option eligible contract in 2024.
 
#345      
Don’t laugh but has anyone seen that the 4 teams ahead of us in the WC are leaking oil and we are gaining ground. Its not crazy to think that we can make a run as we are only 13 out of the last WC spot. We are playing out best baseball right now. If would be nice if we can be in a chase for a playoff spot with these kids.
 
#346      
Don’t laugh but has anyone seen that the 4 teams ahead of us in the WC are leaking oil and we are gaining ground. Its not crazy to think that we can make a run as we are only 13 out of the last WC spot. We are playing out best baseball right now. If would be nice if we can be in a chase for a playoff spot with these kids.

13 games out of the WC with 38 games to go is basically impossible. I’d love it if the Cubs could get it under 10 games out with 30 left and then try to get it down to about 6 for the last couple weeks. Just keeping alive the possibility of a mad dash to the finish is fun.

The Cubs are 31-31 over their last 62 games and have a real chance to be +.500 over the last 100 games of the season, which would be a nice accomplishment considering the low expectations and all the injuries.

It also SHOULD be a sign to ownership and management that they’re closer than they previously thought to competing and this off-season is the time to seriously re-open the checkbook for the first time in half a decade.
 
#348      
Easily my favorite Cub signing in recent memory. Dude has a heart of gold.

There were some muttering that he was disgruntled in Queens and wasn’t a good influence in the dugout.

Nothing’s been farther from the truth since he got to Chicago. In a rough season, he’s said all the right things and played his guts out.

And now I’m seeing several stories about how he’s still adored in Toronto.

Kind of makes you wonder what was going on with the Mets.