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HereSoIDontGetFined said:
And yet, it actually does happen. After all, it's primarily what social workers do. They go into bad homes, drug-filled homes in somes cases, and try to get people help. Yes, it can be dangerous, but it can also be very rewarding to see a person or people come out of a bad situation and back into society. I hear stories all the time about the kids with IEPs at my wife's school whose parents are largely unhelpful or uninvolved with their child's education. It is often the social worker's job to talk to these kids and to their parents and nudge them along toward maximizing their education. It's a hard conversation when some parents basically say, "Stop calling me."

We had a situation where my company bought a building that was going to be its new headquarters in the area. We discovered someone living on the property; not in the building, but in wooded area between the building and the containment pond behind the garbage shed. There were tents and pots and pans and everything. We ended up filing a police report. The police who talked to the guy discovered he was recently divorced and evicted from his home, was a shift manager for the local Toys 'R' Us, and had camped out there until he could pull himself together. We obviously didn't want a homeless guy living on the property as we were moving our staff over to the new location as we wanted people to feel safe. Police ended up getting a social worker involved to deal with the situation as the other option was charging him with trespassing or other such things.

Don't know whatever happened to the guy, but it was a better outcome because police had the option to defer to someone with more expertise in the area.
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To compare home visits that typical social workers make to going into a hostile situation with an armed and (possibly) mentally ill person is a giant leap. In fact...they are in no way comparable. If any school social worker showed up to a home and the parent had a bat swinging it around what do you think there first action would be? Call 9-1-1. And it wouldn't be to bring in more social workers.
 
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band camp
Chad Fleck said:
As a Christian in the US all my life, I don't see a lot of what I'd consider Christian living. Survey respondents may say so, but from a practical living perspective, it's not a very high percentage. Way more nuance here.
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Isn't what you consider 'christian living" subjective?
Seems more like judgement and that's not our job.
 
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Grandpa
band camp said:
Isn't what you consider 'christian living" subjective?
Seems more like judgement and that's not our job.
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How about this? A man I had worked with started coming to our church because he had seen 2 men who acted the same way on the job as they do at church and we both attend the same place. Me and another Illini fan actually. He's a season ticket guy.

That's more of an observation than a judgement.

If you are doing the opposite of what the Bible says, nobody has to judge you, it's obvious.
 
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bdutts
IlliniKat91 said:
My first thought is to wonder whether the NHS covers mental health care. If it does, I would say that having fewer barriers to mental health care is the obvious difference there in terms of the rate of mental illness.
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www.nhs.uk

Mental health

Find information and support for your mental health.
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Yes, they do.
 
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bdutts
the juiceman cometh said:
The US has a higher percentage of Christians than the UK, and the UK has a higher percentage of non-religious, so that's definitely not what's driving the difference.
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Having lived in the UK from 2013-2016, I can say that they are generally nicer overall than people in the US. People here just don't seem to be very nice to each other. I do a simple non-scientific study every day. When I hold the door open for someone, I check to see if they say thank you. If someone opens the door for me and I say thank you, I check for a "you're welcome". Rarely does anyone say thank you or you're welcome. Common courtesy in this country is gone. It's not gone in the UK, at least it wasn't then. In the US, it seems like it's "all about me" and if I don't get what I want or what I deserve, then look out.

Of course, it's not as simple as that but in general, it seems to me like we (the royal we) don't treat each other with courtesy and respect like was done in the past. Maybe we should.
 
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Bucktown
bdutts said:
Having lived in the UK from 2013-2016, I can say that they are generally nicer overall than people in the US. People here just don't seem to be very nice to each other. I do a simple non-scientific study every day. When I hold the door open for someone, I check to see if they say thank you. If someone opens the door for me and I say thank you, I check for a "you're welcome". Rarely does anyone say thank you or you're welcome. Common courtesy in this country is gone. It's not gone in the UK, at least it wasn't then. In the US, it seems like it's "all about me" and if I don't get what I want or what I deserve, then look out.

Of course, it's not as simple as that but in general, it seems to me like we (the royal we) don't treat each other with courtesy and respect like was done in the past. Maybe we should.
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OT from mental illness and in a similar to vein to your point. I think we have a very confrontational society in the US where petty differences and incidents of so called 'disrespect' are more likely to turn violent. Our court system is also a contributor where wild accusations, exaggerations and hyperbole are commonplace and taken seriously, making it much less likely of an amicable resolution between the parties.
 
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Grandpa
Bucktown said:
OT from mental illness and in a similar to vein to your point. I think we have a very confrontational society in the US where petty differences and incidents of so called 'disrespect' are more likely to turn violent. Our court system is also a contributor where wild accusations, exaggerations and hyperbole are commonplace and taken seriously, making it much less likely of an amicable resolution between the parties.
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A lawyer's job is to win for their client, not to see justice done. They will argue for said client even when they know that they are wrong. Winning and getting paid are the things that matter. Unfortunately we have city, state, and national governments full of them acting exactly this way. Win at all costs and make all you can.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Grandpa said:
A lawyer's job is to win for their client, not to see justice done. They will argue for said client even when they know that they are wrong. Winning and getting paid are the things that matter. Unfortunately we have city, state, and national governments full of them acting exactly this way. Win at all costs and make all you can.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong.

Lawyers are officers of the court. Yes, they have a duty to zealously represent their clients, but they cannot lie to the court or misrepresent facts, and they cannot make arguments in bad faith. Most states have adopted a version of this rule: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/..._conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

Of course, as in any profession, there are those that skirt the rules or act boorishly. But you can't judge the whole profession by that, the same way you can't judge any other profession by their worst examples. And unlike many professions, lawyers have a professional license that can be suspended or revoked if they run afoul of the rules.
 
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WolfpackIllini
Seems to me... if the guy with the bat was swinging for the fences and about to hit a home run with an officer's head, then the other officer is justified shooting him in the "I feared for my life" scenario.

Something less than that I would think the officers are going to be hard pressed to justify killing this guy.

I would hope the two officers could have triangulated for an eventually clear taser shot, or better yet to get the guy to chill down a bit with time.

But we won't know much until the body cams are released.
 
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WolfpackIllini
kmunt09 said:
www.25newsnow.com

GRAPHIC: ISP releases body camera video of Peoria officer involved shooting

Illinois State Police released footage of the deadly Peoria officer involved shooting that happened last month.
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Body camera footage, from who i believe to be Da’Monte has been released.
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The other officer in the picture looks like a white guy, so the body cam is probably on Damonte.
The news lady said the guy hit an officer with his bat, and that officer shot him.
The white officer is the only one that could have been hit with the bat, but I don't see a gun or taser in either hand.
There is a sequence where he goes out of the video, so did he draw and fire then?
Damonte looks like he has a gun in his hand, but I am hard pressed to see where/when he aims and shoots it.
Would have been nice to have audio on the video.
I really can't tell if he was shot before or after he started to run away.
 
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