English Premier League Thread 2016-2017

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This weekend's Premier League schedule (all times Central):

Saturday
6:30 AM, NBCSN: Manchester United vs. Arsenal
9:00 AM, NBCSN: Southampton vs. Liverpool
11:30 AM, NBC: Tottenham Hotspur vs. West Ham United

Sunday
10:00 AM, NBCSN: Middlesbrough vs. Chelsea

Monday
2:00 PM, NBCSN: West Bromwich Albion vs. Burnley
 
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Oh, and as far as the Jurgen talk on this thread earlier. The talk of firing Klinsmann is way too much of an overreaction to what happened in Costa Rica on Tuesday night. ESPN's SPI still has the U.S. at a 60% chance to advance out of the Hex (Only Mexico at 99% and Costa Rica at 93% were higher). Besides, if you fire Klinsmann, who do you hire to replace him and know that they can get any more out of the roster than what the U.S. currently has?
 
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Gunners grab a late point at Old Trafford. :thumb:
 
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Very lackluster effort. Lucky to come away with a point. Ozil: invisible.
 
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Very lackluster effort. Lucky to come away with a point. Ozil: invisible.

glad i didn't get up to watch it. everyone was saying the gunners were not playing well. very lucky to grab a point in the end.
 
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Any of you Spurs fans (KBLEE) know anything about Harry Winks? Didn't watch the game today but saw he scored. He might have the best name in the league.:)
 
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Any of you Spurs fans (KBLEE) know anything about Harry Winks? Didn't watch the game today but saw he scored. He might have the best name in the league.:)

He's a Spurs Academy product who just earned his first PL start today. He had a really solid game.
 
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Klinsmann canned per Twitter

A fait accompli after his remarks about "lot of talk from people who don’t understand soccer or the team." What hubris! JK had some moments, but, overall, did he advance US football? Really don't think so. Good riddance.
 
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A fait accompli after his remarks about "lot of talk from people who don’t understand soccer or the team." What hubris! JK had some moments, but, overall, did he advance US football? Really don't think so. Good riddance.

From where it was, I'd say yeah. Or at least more what it takes to win against some of the squads in Europe.

I personally don't think Arena is gonna be that much better of a replacement.
 
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A fait accompli after his remarks about "lot of talk from people who don’t understand soccer or the team." What hubris! JK had some moments, but, overall, did he advance US football? Really don't think so. Good riddance.

As far as results on the field right now? No he didn't. But the biggest question is was he helping the future? That is what US soccer needs. Someone who is improving the national youth teams, working with the MLS, and working with the NCAA. I know in interviews Klinsmann has talked about these things, but I don't know if he actually changed much. And if he did, these changes wouldn't show on the field for another 2 or 3 world cups.
 
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Also I'd like to get you all's take on this article regarding the real issue with U.S. soccer right now: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/11/22/dicaro-u-s-soccers-elitism-problem/

Pretty much my exact thoughts. In fact, a couple paragraphs in I was asking myself "how does AAU work so well with inner city kids from all over the country" and then right after that I got to the part where Julie asks the same question. This elitism isn't the only problem but it's a big one.

But I do think having 3 sports (maybe 4 if you count hockey) that are more popular than soccer is also a big problem. Because if you look at some of the best players in the world that came from poverty, almost all of them were playing soccer ever since they could walk. That isn't happening in the States.
 
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Also I'd like to get you all's take on this article regarding the real issue with U.S. soccer right now: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/11/22/dicaro-u-s-soccers-elitism-problem/

Before the advent of the USSDA, I'd largely agree. But the USSDA means no fees for those kids fortunate enough to make the cut. And the DAs are expanding into younger age groups.

As with almost all sports in the US, you want good coaching, good practice facilities and good leagues, you have to ante up. Some clubs in lower income areas have way lower fees because they're all volunteer (e.g., Cicero Mayas).
 
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Before the advent of the USSDA, I'd largely agree. But the USSDA means no fees for those kids fortunate enough to make the cut. And the DAs are expanding into younger age groups.

Progress is being made, little by little.

Where you're aiming at is not real complicated. More kids, in a broader geographic and demographic selection, receiving better coaching, earlier in their development, cheaply or ideally for free, with the best being funneled into ever-more professional team environments as early as possible.

The logistics of the money, improving the coaching, and harmonizing the system with high school and the NCAA (and societal and parental expectations about education more generally) is the tricky part.

Full stop, America's greatest soccer players often wither on the vine because a free college education is (completely justifiably) more important to them and their families than maximizing their soccer potential. And that's just one roadblock in the system for one age group.
 
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Progress is being made, little by little.

Definitely. The MLS clubs are leading the advance.

Where you're aiming at is not real complicated. More kids, in a broader geographic and demographic selection, receiving better coaching, earlier in their development, cheaply or ideally for free, with the best being funneled into ever-more professional team environments as early as possible.

That's the target, for sure. Basically, it's a pyramid to the first team. The DAs began w/U18s and U16s. They added U14s and now U12s. Bigger clubs (e.g. MLS) have academy teams down to U8 (as it should be). Competition is fierce and the cream rises to the top.

The big difference between USSDA programs and Euro/SA Academies is the latter typically includes room & board, and practices are daily (USSDA teams typically practice 3-4 times a week for 1.5 hours per practice). The difference is huge, IMO.

The logistics of the money, improving the coaching, and harmonizing the system with high school and the NCAA (and societal and parental expectations about education more generally) is the tricky part.

Things are moving in the right direction. Academy players typically forego HS ball (as they should, IMO). The top kids are turning pro more often and those that don't head to college powerhouses. More kids are leaving college early and turning pro.

Full stop, America's greatest soccer players often wither on the vine because a free college education is (completely justifiably) more important to them and their families than maximizing their soccer potential. And that's just one roadblock in the system for one age group.

Think you're overstating it. By and large, the top college players prioritize football over their education (much the same as other elite college athletes).
 
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Think you're overstating it. By and large, the top college players prioritize football over their education (much the same as other elite college athletes).

The NCAA strictly limits practice time for its soccer players, as in other sports. The season is also very short. And obviously, being a student is a time and energy consuming thing.

If you are going to be an elite soccer player, by the time you are 18-19, soccer is your full time job. What's great about the NCAA setup is that it provides an enormous home for talented older players who haven't quite made it to keep participating at a competitive level into their early twenties.

Elite soccer countries often don't have that, they dump kids out of the system at 17-18 who might otherwise become late-developing stars, and only the ones crazy enough to ignore their work future and scrounge around the semi-pro circuit keep going.

They're trying to set it up so that college kids can be playing with USL teams in their offseason, which would be a good step, but it's still not good enough for an elite player.

And that's without mentioning the overtime and substitution rules for college soccer which make it an awful player development environment, and thus incentivize poor player development practices in the pipeline towards college soccer.

This is all later development stuff, but there are a lot of problems currently with turning 15-16 year old American wunderkinds into 19-20 year old professionals.
 
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A fait accompli after his remarks about "lot of talk from people who don’t understand soccer or the team." What hubris! JK had some moments, but, overall, did he advance US football? Really don't think so. Good riddance.

He definitely has. He was building from the bottom up. There's a large talent gap from the Dempsey/Howard/Donovan group and today. He may have been head scratching tactically but you still let him finish the cycle. The team isn't in danger of not qualifying. You especially don't fire him for Bruce Arena. This was a reactionary move and a poor one at that.
 
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This weekend's Premier League schedule (all times Central):

Saturday
6:30 AM, NBCSN: Burnley vs. Manchester City
9:00 AM, NBCSN: Liverpool vs. Sunderland
9:00 AM, CNBC: Swansea vs. Crystal Palace
11:30 AM, NBC: Chelsea vs. Tottenham Hotspur

Sunday
6:00 AM, CNBC: Watford vs. Stoke City
8:15 AM, CNBC: Arsenal vs. Bournemouth
10:30 AM, CNBC: Southampton vs. Everton
10:30 AM, NBCSN: Manchester United vs. West Ham United
 
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Bradley wins, should be the last straw for Pardew. Big game coming up.
 
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Never would've thought Chelsea would not only be playing this well but also without Fabregas, Willian, and Oscar. And I don't know what Conte will do when Zouma is fully healthy. I think he is better than Cahill and Luiz, but it's tough to change anything when you're on a roll like this.
 
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Never would've thought Chelsea would not only be playing this well but also without Fabregas, Willian, and Oscar. And I don't know what Conte will do when Zouma is fully healthy. I think he is better than Cahill and Luiz, but it's tough to change anything when you're on a roll like this.

Chelsea has been pretty amazing this season. Not LC-level amazing, but still. Conte's pulling all the right strings. Impressive.
 
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