FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation
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I decided to go to some other forums to see how they are taking this considering that we are quite a distance from ground zero, contrary to a number of posters here.
Auburn this afternoon offered refunds to season ticket holders. That is the definition of overreaction. One poster wants the death penalty so he can be put out of his misery. Most desperately want to save Pearl as they believe there are absolutely no viable candidates out there. The most common verb tense to describe the athletic director is the past tense.
Louisville is different. Their fan base is furious and it is aimed at Pitino. In the privacy of their homes for the last 10 years most UL fans knew that Pitino was lying. No human could be that naive and out of it. They are furious that he believed that he could not be touched and with the NCAA he was probably right, but he never dreamed the feds would involved with their huge budget, wire taps and the like. They are embarrassed, no one can say they were misquoted, misunderstood, etc, when the feds have wiretaps of your conversation. The Pitino supporters are really laying low. It is actually kind of enjoyable watching their suffering.
Auburn this afternoon offered refunds to season ticket holders. That is the definition of overreaction. One poster wants the death penalty so he can be put out of his misery. Most desperately want to save Pearl as they believe there are absolutely no viable candidates out there. The most common verb tense to describe the athletic director is the past tense.
Louisville is different. Their fan base is furious and it is aimed at Pitino. In the privacy of their homes for the last 10 years most UL fans knew that Pitino was lying. No human could be that naive and out of it. They are furious that he believed that he could not be touched and with the NCAA he was probably right, but he never dreamed the feds would involved with their huge budget, wire taps and the like. They are embarrassed, no one can say they were misquoted, misunderstood, etc, when the feds have wiretaps of your conversation. The Pitino supporters are really laying low. It is actually kind of enjoyable watching their suffering.
What's his major??
jmwillini
- Tolono, IL
If its UL, probably $1s
Talk about money needing to be laundered... Okay, I'll show myself out.
Careful...
Katina Powell?
I was a student during the 67 slush fund. It is kind of like snake bites, in time you build up a resistance.
What does get me is the phony mea culpa by the Vitale and others. "Yes, we had heard these stories for 20 years but we just thought it was over blown sour grapes. I am appalled and disgusted by what I've heard the last few days, totally blindsided".
What does get me is the phony mea culpa by the Vitale and others. "Yes, we had heard these stories for 20 years but we just thought it was over blown sour grapes. I am appalled and disgusted by what I've heard the last few days, totally blindsided".
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I have been reading around some message boards as well. Apparently on one of Arizona's boards, there is a rumor that Miller has known for a while and he was working with the feds to help break this all loose..... don't know that I believe that, but if they do, more power to them
OSU board is pretty well in meltdown mode and rightfully so. But they are convinced this is all BU doings and Evans is gonna roll on him and he is going to go down for it while they laugh at us the whole way........ don't think i believe that either
They are also prepared to file a lawsuit against BU for hiring Evans and bringing this stain upon their programI have been reading around some message boards as well. Apparently on one of Arizona's boards, there is a rumor that Miller has known for a while and he was working with the feds to help break this all loose..... don't know that I believe that, but if they do, more power to them
OSU board is pretty well in meltdown mode and rightfully so. But they are convinced this is all BU doings and Evans is gonna roll on him and he is going to go down for it while they laugh at us the whole way........ don't think i believe that either
Do they realize that if what they say is true that it happened when he was in charge of their program and they would receive the sanctions?
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Probably not. They believe that there is no way that Underwood couldn't have known what was going on while simultaneously believing that there is no way that Mike Boynton could possibly have known it was going on
I have been reading around some message boards as well. Apparently on one of Arizona's boards, there is a rumor that Miller has known for a while and he was working with the feds to help break this all loose..... don't know that I believe that, but if they do, more power to them
OSU board is pretty well in meltdown mode and rightfully so. But they are convinced this is all BU doings and Evans is gonna roll on him and he is going to go down for it while they laugh at us the whole way........ don't think i believe that either
I think they got the OSU coach on tape from his days at SC. If BU was part of this fiasco, then they should have got BU on tape too. Or some mention of BU. Besides such events are rarely group events. I doubt BU would have been involved. But, let us see
None of you will remember this but Ill. Gov Kerner went to jail back in the 60s for accepting a bribe. How did they catch him, you ask. Because the lady who bribed him took it off her income taxes as a business expense. I wished I was joking.
I have read some east coast stories on this and apparently the feds were taking down a financial adviser who had stolen money from his NBA clients. In the course of the investigation they asked him how he got to know all these NBA players and he said that he paid off assistants to steer players to him. The feds then did what the feds do best, they flipped him. This proves 2 things:
People will sell out their mother to stay out of jail
Professional people are probably not intellectually prepared to serve time
I have read some east coast stories on this and apparently the feds were taking down a financial adviser who had stolen money from his NBA clients. In the course of the investigation they asked him how he got to know all these NBA players and he said that he paid off assistants to steer players to him. The feds then did what the feds do best, they flipped him. This proves 2 things:
People will sell out their mother to stay out of jail
Professional people are probably not intellectually prepared to serve time
You are not going to be able to buy a head coach making millions with loose change.
A head coach who knows this is going on will cut ties with that assistant, again because he has too much to lose.
Evans and the other are not buying an athlete for their university, they are merely steering that athlete to a financial adviser that the athlete will need anyway. It is almost humanitarian. Given enough time, people can justify anything.
If you are UL and others that bought players, going to be a long year.
If BU and FM knew this was going on and did nothing to stop it, they are going to have a long year. I just can't believe they would be so stupid as to make a grade school mistake like that.
A head coach who knows this is going on will cut ties with that assistant, again because he has too much to lose.
Evans and the other are not buying an athlete for their university, they are merely steering that athlete to a financial adviser that the athlete will need anyway. It is almost humanitarian. Given enough time, people can justify anything.
If you are UL and others that bought players, going to be a long year.
If BU and FM knew this was going on and did nothing to stop it, they are going to have a long year. I just can't believe they would be so stupid as to make a grade school mistake like that.
jmwillini
- Tolono, IL
Is football next?
Blazer’s apparent role as an FBI informant comes a little more than two years after he surfaced in the state of North Carolina’s case concerning the violation of laws governing sports agents. In that case, the state alleged that Chris Hawkins, a former UNC football player whom the university had banned from its athletic facilities and prohibited from contacting its athletes, violated the state’s sports agent laws.
Investigators determined, according to court documents, that Hawkins and Blazer worked together to induce former UNC football players to sign with a certain agent or financial adviser, Blazer included. Hawkins and Blazer sent each other “numerous” emails discussing payments, or pending payments, to former UNC players while they were in college, according to documents The Associated Press cited.
The UNC players whom Hawkins and Blazer discussed paying, according to documents The Associated Press cited, included Robert Quinn and Kendric Burney. Both players were involved in the UNC football program’s impermissible benefits case, which the NCAA investigated in 2010 and 2011.
Blazer’s apparent role as an FBI informant comes a little more than two years after he surfaced in the state of North Carolina’s case concerning the violation of laws governing sports agents. In that case, the state alleged that Chris Hawkins, a former UNC football player whom the university had banned from its athletic facilities and prohibited from contacting its athletes, violated the state’s sports agent laws.
Investigators determined, according to court documents, that Hawkins and Blazer worked together to induce former UNC football players to sign with a certain agent or financial adviser, Blazer included. Hawkins and Blazer sent each other “numerous” emails discussing payments, or pending payments, to former UNC players while they were in college, according to documents The Associated Press cited.
The UNC players whom Hawkins and Blazer discussed paying, according to documents The Associated Press cited, included Robert Quinn and Kendric Burney. Both players were involved in the UNC football program’s impermissible benefits case, which the NCAA investigated in 2010 and 2011.
Nicely done!
I'm a lawyer, so I am always looking for the other side in these things. Is there an entrapment defense here? Based on this article, it looks possible that the Feds paid almost $200,000 to bribe assistant coaches who, perhaps, had not been bribed before.
I'm not sure how far that gets anyone, but just watch and see if it happens. Of course, the defense can't apply to the other case involving the Adidas guy, since he seemed to be spending corporate cash.
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That's kind of where I'm at too. If they had Evans wire tapped since he was at SC, you would think they would have had some evidence against BU by now. Now, Evans could try to pin something on BU, but that would just be hearsay at this point and they would have to find some concrete evidence against him in order to press charges at this point
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Vitale et al..
Vitale & the rest of the hoops media is playing the same role the baseball media did when the steroid scandal broke loose in MLB. When you are riding on the gravy train, the one thing you don't do is spill the gravy. Vitale and others have made a great living for themselves because of the sport. I'm sure he knew some things that were going on even from his time spent in coaching. But when that is where your big checks are coming from, pretty easy to turn a blind eye.
One side thing I wonder here, is will there be any connection to NCAA corporate in any of this. The NCAA has so many conflicts of interest in trying to rule a sport while having a huge vested interest in said sport. I won't be surprised if someone gets popped at that level.
Vitale & the rest of the hoops media is playing the same role the baseball media did when the steroid scandal broke loose in MLB. When you are riding on the gravy train, the one thing you don't do is spill the gravy. Vitale and others have made a great living for themselves because of the sport. I'm sure he knew some things that were going on even from his time spent in coaching. But when that is where your big checks are coming from, pretty easy to turn a blind eye.
One side thing I wonder here, is will there be any connection to NCAA corporate in any of this. The NCAA has so many conflicts of interest in trying to rule a sport while having a huge vested interest in said sport. I won't be surprised if someone gets popped at that level.
I admit I would have loved to have been at NCAA headquarters on Tuesday morning at 8:30 when word filtered down that 4 coaches had been arrested and that a news conference would be held in 3 hours.
Being completely in the dark is horrifying when it is your cash cow. You know the feds did not keep the NCAA informed about what they were doing, why would you involve the gang that can't shoot straight.
Being completely in the dark is horrifying when it is your cash cow. You know the feds did not keep the NCAA informed about what they were doing, why would you involve the gang that can't shoot straight.
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
The steroid scandal is a good analogy. Just like the steroid scandal, the media knew and so did the fans (us). Nobody should be surprised by any of this and to say otherwise is totally false. Dakich claiming Michigan is totally clean or Vitale pretending to be shocked or anybody here trying to claim Illinois is somehow above this sort of thing is just delusional. Given the amounts of money in and around these "amateur" sports coupled with the fact that the people who generate that money (athletes) aren't supposed to get any of that money, the NCAA is probably the perfect structure for this sort of behavior.
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