FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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mattcoldagelli said:
He's a million percent right, of course.
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The rub of course is that if college athletes are paid, they are then pros. That's always been considered blasphemy. Don't know if I "want" my team's players making a million a year or so each, but we would get better players over time if that was the case. Problem is that the bigger schools would be able to pay enough to get the best players. A salary cap wouldn't work.
 
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Smacko said:
Wasn't this team one of the groups that the FBI raided yesterday?
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Actually, I'm losing track of all who got raided yesterday but:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/os-sp-college-basketball-arrests-0927-story.html
The complaint alleges Jonathan Brad Augustine, the director of the Orlando-based 1 Family Hoops AAU team, conspired in July to funnel $150,000 to induce a recruit to sign with an Adidas-sponsored college.
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And I'm pretty sure the recruit Miami is in trouble for was Little. Like one of the commenters said, an Arizona-UNC-Miami bidding war. And I saw that other places on Tuesday.
 
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EJ33 said:
We have evidence that Illinois is not cheating at a very high level - look at our recruiting in football and basketball over the last several years. It'd be a lot better if we were good at cheating.
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Not necessarily. If everyone is doing it, then it basically becomes a wash and you have to recruit players based on things other than purely money. Obviously some schools will pay more than others, but there is likely a cap on that as not to attract too much attention.

Just like with steroids in baseball. "Everyone" in baseball was taking steroids, but McGwire and Bonds still outclassed all of them. They had to extraordinarily gifted hitters beyond just taking a lot of steroids, since taking steroids didn't really give them an advantage over everyone else taking steroids.*

*PS: This is a discussion for another thread/board, but this is why I personally would not be against known steroid users being admitted into the Hall of Fame.
 
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The trick with the athletes getting paid is that it won't be able to pass Title IX muster IMO. How long before the women players expect to be paid in the same manner and get a court to back them. Since there is federal $ involved in all the public universities, they will have a hard time keeping the money for only the big $ revenue sports. It will rapidly become a scenario where mid size schools either start dropping sports or fall back to some kind of a Division 1AA status.
 
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PNWIllini said:
Was that one the shoebox in the closet filled with 100's? Or was that another one.

Someone needs to do a wiki on Illinois bribery scandals some time. I lived there 20 years, back in the 70s and 80s, and I am rapidly forgetting. Otto Kerner, Dan Walker, Paul Powell. So many bribes, so little time.
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Don't forget the horsemeat scandal:D
 
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I think we now know the tailor for Frank Martin
 
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Calvin said:
Love it. Relentless at explaining the problem and not shy about where the blame lies.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20841877/until-ncaa-solves-money-problem-pays-athletes-problems-continue
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"Money will find a way." Yep, and if you change to paying players, you can bet that the4re will be some underhanded kickbacks made. I can think of a couple but don't really have time to expound on them, nor does it really matter because they're unlikely to happen.

There must be rules, and crooks will be crooks. Someone will figure out a way to make money off of them. The perfect is the enemy of the good, because perfect can never be achieved. The point is that today's system may not be perfect, but it might be better than proposals to keep those rules from being broken: The Law of Unintended Circumstances comes into play.

After all, you don't solve some problems (Penn State...) by changing the rules to make the infraction legal. You keep the rules and do your best to enforce them. They'll still be broken. You just have to do your best to enforce the rules, and punish those who break them.
 
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I'm also shocked they haven't arrested Pitino. Although he didn't keep some of the bribes he certainly would profit indirectly by his team performing well.
 
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Brian Rauf, Lead Columnist for Chat Sports, with this tweet about 2 hours ago--"Schools that are likely to be hit next, according to sources: Auburn, Arizona, Alabama, and Illinois' Brad Underwood."
Ugh!!
 
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TCTORNADO said:
Brian Rauf, Lead Columnist for Chat Sports, with this tweet about 2 hours ago--"Schools that are likely to be hit next, according to sources: Auburn, Arizona, Alabama, and Illinois' Brad Underwood."
Ugh!!
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I wonder if he has any source for that, or if it's just the same "A+B must equal Z" that many on forums have come up with.
 
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TCTORNADO said:
Brian Rauf, Lead Columnist for Chat Sports, with this tweet about 2 hours ago--"Schools that are likely to be hit next, according to sources: Auburn, Arizona, Alabama, and Illinois' Brad Underwood."
Ugh!!
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yeah, here's the actual tweet.
Brian Rauf‏ @brauf33 2h2 hours ago

Schools that are likely to be hit next, according to sources: Auburn, Arizona, Alabama - and Illinois' Brad Underwood
 
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About 24 hours after Evans turned himself in. Didn't take long.
 
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chesterwilson said:
So now that we know Coach-2 is Pitino, I think I better understand how we mysteriously lost out on Snider.
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Well, Snider was a high 4 almost 5 star wasn't he? Three stars and lower from what I've heard are somewhat a dime a dozen compared to 4 stars and especially compared to 5 stars. Makes sense that most of the money is probably surrounding the 5 stars.
 
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PNWIllini said:
I wonder if he has any source for that, or if it's just the same "A+B must equal Z" that many on forums have come up with.
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I highly highly doubt an unverified twitter account has information on whom the FBI is suspecting.

The FBI is about as secretive as you can get. If an organization as large and as powerful as the NCAA (albeit clueless) had no clue they were doing this operation in the first place, some joe on twitter isn't going to know who is at the top of their list, nor his he going to have sources. If he actually does, I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI came calling at his house.

I can go on twitter and say exactly what he did. In fact, anyone who has read an article on this issue could do it. Underwood's name has been thrown around more than once, and for obvious reasons. I wont believe anything until an actual report comes out on it.

FYI I can guarantee Underwood will be contacted before this is all over. Even if it's harmless, it'll happen. He's too close to not be.
 
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These reporters have no reason not to mention names like Underwood. Theres a real chance he was involved in someway. If they are wrong, they have more than enough excuses to save credibility. If they are right, they look like they are truly connected.

It's possible the FBI has contacted Underwood already. Or that his camp/the university is planning what to do if it does happen. These seem the only way this information actually came from a credible source. If the FBI is planning on doing something, nobody outside the FBI knows this.
 
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ChiefIllini said:
These reporters have no reason not to mention names like Underwood. Theres a real chance he was involved in someway. If they are wrong, they have more than enough excuses to save credibility. If they are right, they look like they are truly connected.

It's possible the FBI has contacted Underwood already. Or that his camp/the university is planning what to do if it does happen. These seem the only way this information actually came from a credible source. If the FBI is planning on doing something, nobody outside the FBI knows this.
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I'll be surprised if Underwood has not lawyered up already. Maybe that mysterious Lear trip the other night had something to do with it.
 
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