FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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ChiefIllini
ILL in IA said:
The models and goals of College sports compared to minor league sports are just different, it's hard to compare them in the way you are. Also the ways fans view college/minor leauge teams is vastly different. I do think done the right way the G-Leauge could make a lot more than they currently are.

I agree with Obelix, the market is not currently set up to support the G league and taking a chunk away from College Ball. I would argue that if changes were made to how the G-Leauge is constructed, and the way the NBA currently drafts could change a lot of that. I think it is all a matter of how much the NBA wants to put into/invest into the G League.
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How much revenue do minor league baseball teams make? Or hockey? I honestly don't think if college basketball ended today, and the NBA funded a G league to a reasonable amount, that in 25 years (accounting for inflation of course ;)) that a G league will have revenue even close to what college basketball has now.
 
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ILL in IA
ChiefIllini said:
How much revenue do minor league baseball teams make? Or hockey? I honestly don't think if college basketball ended today, and the NBA funded a G league to a reasonable amount, that in 25 years (accounting for inflation of course ;)) that a G league will have revenue even close to what college basketball has now.
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I'm not saying the G League would out earn the NCAA and college hoops. Or that it would replace college hoops for that matter. Simply the fact that I thought it could become a desirable destination for some kids with no interest in school to skip or leave early and get paid for development in trying to reach the NBA.
 
#103      
ILL in IA
Again, I'm not arguing that the g League will take fans away from college basketball. I know a g league team in Springfield wouldnt suddenly take attendance away from Illini basketball. And all minor league sports draw fans for the same reason. It's cheap family entertainment thats close to home. The G league continues to grow as well. It's up in attendance, teams are being added not folding, and salaries have gone up for players More players are making decent money on 2 way deals as well then ever before.

it could eventually become a minor league to the NBA in similar fashion to minor league baseball was my initial comment.

The one and done rule will go away, and teams will want a safety net for those guys to land and develop for the guys that are not Lebron and Kobe. More misses than hits in kids coming out of high school. And if shoe companies suddenly need to start paying 18 year olds above the table money, maybe college isn't as attractive to some guys.

Again, not arguing college basketball drops to the level of college baseball.

But if I am a kid coming up from nothing or with little interest in the student part of student athlete, and shoe money isn't as freely handed out in shady deals, maybe a pro ball and a few years in the g league becomes a better option for some kids.
 
#104      
ILL in IA
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...or-league-could-soon-transform-pro-basketball

I found this after my last post. Provides a better layout to what I was trying to say as opposed to my poor writing while trying to rock a 3-month-old to back to sleep.

This was from earlier in the year, and I know Bazley has recently opted to work out on his own instead of the G-Leauge. Point being though, if the one and done goes away, and this was to become an option for some out of high school, and some to leave college early, the landscape of recruiting and college ball changes a lot. If it were sooner rather then later, I actually think a coach like BU with a system in place would be well equipped to handle the change and find players that fit his system, and not left completely scrambling.
 
#105      
Emerson Bigguns
Obelix said:
The issue is not recruiting strategy and targeting, the issue is that so far we have not shown the ability to close with talent. Fall recruiting is the core of successful recruiting, Spring should be more opportunistic. If you miss on many of the talented bigs in the Fall, then you desperately looking for "projects" in the Spring. Chances that project players succeed are by default less. Some of the ones who do not succeed will move on, and it does not mean that all the remaining ones will have great success, just that they may have found some role on the team and have accepted that role. The cycle will unavoidably repeat until you start being successful (IF you ever become successful) landing better talent in the Fall. Rinse, repeat.
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The more that comes out of the FBI investigation the more it seems like the ability "Close" with elite talent is directly related to the ability to pay out 5-6 figures.
 
#107      
ILL in IA
Obelix said:
Apparently Oklahoma State was bad at that game too. :)
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Wasnt Oklahoma States issue with an agent/Asst. Coach and a player already on the roster? And said player being "closed" but the previous coach. I assume you reference OSU as a connection to BU and the FBI investigation.
 
#108      
Obelix
ILL in IA said:
Wasnt Oklahoma States issue with an agent/Asst. Coach and a player already on the roster? And said player being "closed" but the previous coach. I assume you reference OSU as a connection to BU and the FBI investigation.
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According to testimony by Bowen Sr., it was money offered by OSU through Lamont Evans. Lamont Evans was not on staff during previous coach at OSU.
 
#109      
PtownIllini8
ILL in IA said:
Wasnt Oklahoma States issue with an agent/Asst. Coach and a player already on the roster? And said player being "closed" but the previous coach. I assume you reference OSU as a connection to BU and the FBI investigation.
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True and when Evans, the assistant, asked for money to get guys to come to OSU he was turned down.
 
#110      
PtownIllini8
Obelix said:
According to testimony by Bowen Sr., it was money offered by OSU through Lamont Evans. Lamont Evans was not on staff during previous coach at OSU.
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Bowen Sr. also said that OSU offered $150,00 through Evans, but in the end they took 1/3 less to sign with Louisville???? So you're looking fort a payout, but you'll take significantly less to go to Louisville? Strange testimony...
 
#111      
PlayAZ
PtownIllini8 said:
Bowen Sr. also said that OSU offered $150,00 through Evans, but in the end they took 1/3 less to sign with Louisville???? So you're looking fort a payout, but you'll take significantly less to go to Louisville? Strange testimony...
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Maybe significantly less at a "more known" school looks less obvious than ALOT at a school that has less history and "bling" than say the other? Or maybe the kid just said Okla State isn't for me, I ain't the huckleberry for them.
 
#112      
sacraig
PtownIllini8 said:
Bowen Sr. also said that OSU offered $150,00 through Evans, but in the end they took 1/3 less to sign with Louisville???? So you're looking fort a payout, but you'll take significantly less to go to Louisville? Strange testimony...
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Not really. People turn down higher-paying jobs for a lower-paying one all the time if the lower one is in a more desirable location or doing something more desirable. This is no different.
 
#113      
foby
sacraig said:
Not really. People turn down higher-paying jobs for a lower-paying one all the time if the lower one is in a more desirable location or doing something more desirable. This is no different.
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Never been to Stillwater, and doubt if I ever go. But I would imagine Louisville is the more attractive destination by a fer piece.
 
#114      
sacraig
foby said:
Never been to Stillwater, and doubt if I ever go. But I would imagine Louisville is the more attractive destination by a fer piece.
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I've never been, either, but I have spent an entire summer in Oklahoma, and I can't imagine willingly living there long term.
 
#115      
Obelix
sacraig said:
Not really. People turn down higher-paying jobs for a lower-paying one all the time if the lower one is in a more desirable location or doing something more desirable. This is no different.
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Getting an offer from Arizona... $50,000

Getting an offer from Creighton... $100,000 and a “good job”

Getting an offer from Oklahoma State... $150,000, $8000 for a car, money for a house

Getting the opportunity to experience Louisville basketball... PRICELESS!

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#116      
TopOtheKey
foby said:
Never been to Stillwater, and doubt if I ever go. But I would imagine Louisville is the more attractive destination by a fer piece.
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I’ve been to a few games at Gallagher-Iba. Great atmosphere. The expanded arena is pretty nice. Crowd is close to the court. Just like us, Okie State had some very good years when Eddie Sutton was there (not the son). Interestingly their campus has the same Georgian architecture like ours and looks like a mini version of U of I. Lastly, while I would agree Louisville is a much better location, Champaign Urbana and Stillwater are very similar.
 
#119      
WizardBill
My question is this:

After the legal things have finished, if you were the NCAA, what would you do?

Your cash cow is having troubles here. How would you resolve it?
 
#120      
pruman91
WizardBill said:
My question is this:

After the legal things have finished, if you were the NCAA, what would you do?

Your cash cow is having troubles here. How would you resolve it?
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Have $ Bill stop wearing his rug for 2 years
 
#121      
doowink
PtownIllini8 said:
Bowen Sr. also said that OSU offered $150,00 through Evans, but in the end they took 1/3 less to sign with Louisville???? So you're looking fort a payout, but you'll take significantly less to go to Louisville? Strange testimony...
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Well everything can't be measured in dollars.....I mean Louisville offered something better than money:love:
 
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TownieMatt
#124      
ILL in IA
My fear is that there is going to be so many caught in this, the ncaa will just adjust rules, and give a mea culpa to the broken system, and everyone gets to start fresh. focus on how bad it was everywhere, and let the big dogs caught up in this off the hook.
 
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ILL in IA said:
My fear is that there is going to be so many caught in this, the ncaa will just adjust rules, and give a mea culpa to the broken system, and everyone gets to start fresh. focus on how bad it was everywhere, and let the big dogs caught up in this off the hook.
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I, unfortunately, think you are right. To incriminate everyone would mean they would essentially be incriminating themselves.

I believe they themselves call it, “lack of institutional control”!
 
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