Illini Athletics Revenue

#27      

GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
Didn't men's gymnastics win the Big Ten championship like 2 years ago? Maybe even last year? If not, I know they're always competitive.
2012 was our last championship in Men's Gymnastics. Stanford has won it the last 5 times in a row.
 
#28      
2012 was our last championship in Men's Gymnastics. Stanford has won it the last 5 times in a row.
Stanford is in the Big Ten when it comes to gymnastics? Really? That's odd to me.

EDIT: I see, you said Championships meaning National I'm assuming? I'm an idiot.
 
#30      
I know these are 2023 numbers but I thought I read that Women basketball was closer to break even than the 4 million loss. Same with Volleyball, with very few volleyball programs breaking even, we were one of the better programs dollar wise. Makes me wonder if the NIL money is taking away from the money donated to those programs directly. Not sure if we can get a breakdown of that. Right now WBB is a must have for students campus life as it is a growing sport. We could have filled the place if Iowa had played here last year.
 
#31      
Wonder how the expenses are broken down between coaching/administrative salaries, travel, and scholarship money. Seems like travel would be the easiest and least controversial to trim. But is it enough?
With conferences that span the whole country and the growing lack of regionality there might not be many chances to cut travel. No idea how insurance works for travel, but I’m assuming it plays a role and stipulates certain conditions need to be met for safety and all that. I’d say alternatives to scholarship money would be the best option for ‘cuts’, especially if players are considered employees. But that would likely just be moving things around on the balance sheet ultimately. Tough situation.

Something to consider, how many former football and basketball players become big donors? To secure long term donations from former athletes at least who end up being financially successful, maybe hold on to the country club sports or invest in some nice chess sets.

For travel, I guess teams could take the budget bus like Ricky Vaughn and Co. in Major League then take the classes (will they even be required?) on an I phone. The bus seemed to not hinder the Tribe’s on field performance nor jeopardize their safety.
 
#32      
People have obviously floated this in the past, but why the hell is there not more discussion about sports other than football and basketball just playing more regional schedules? It seems it would benefit the universities to not have to fund their travels, and it would at least be a bone thrown to those who miss the old regional conferences.
 
#33      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
People have obviously floated this in the past, but why the hell is there not more discussion about sports other than football and basketball just playing more regional schedules? It seems it would benefit the universities to not have to fund their travels, and it would at least be a bone thrown to those who miss the old regional conferences.
The obvious first domino to fall here would be the re-creation of the original Pac 10 as a non-revenue sport conference.

A beachhead for the counterrevolution.
 
#34      
People have obviously floated this in the past, but why the hell is there not more discussion about sports other than football and basketball just playing more regional schedules? It seems it would benefit the universities to not have to fund their travels, and it would at least be a bone thrown to those who miss the old regional conferences.

I know these are 2023 numbers but I thought I read that Women basketball was closer to break even than the 4 million loss. Same with Volleyball, with very few volleyball programs breaking even, we were one of the better programs dollar wise. Makes me wonder if the NIL money is taking away from the money donated to those programs directly. Not sure if we can get a breakdown of that. Right now WBB is a must have for students campus life as it is a growing sport. We could have filled the place if Iowa had played here last year.
I think someone gave a one-time $4 million donation in Shauna's first year.
 
#35      
The travel savings can be done. When my daughter played field hockey at Northwestern a couple of years ago they rarely flew on a plane. When they did, it was on Southwest out of Midway on a red eye. They bussed everywhere, including Penn St., Michigan St., and Ohio St. Lunch on the bus was often a carton of chocolate milk. Only plane trips in 4 years was to Stanford/Cal (once), Syracuse (once), Boston (once), and North Carolina/Duke (twice). If Jim Phillips can do it, we can do it.
 
#36      

mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Semi-related, I thought this was interesting. Serious funding they’ve raised, but also a zag from other programs thinking this type of facilities costs are no longer a smart approach.

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#37      

DeonThomas

South Carolina
One could argue that we are better served trying to resurrect football with every penny we have from a pure media attractiveness and media $ perspective. If the top football programs break off and we are left behind, that is an insane amount of $ for the athletic department that would disappear and crush all sports.

I want a hoops NC as much as anyone, but not if it comes at the expense of the entire athletic department. That said, I guarantee Whitman and everyone involved knows way more about our level of risk and where $ should go than any of us here, so we need to trust the process.

Question for all:
What happens if the NCAA disappears and a hoops post-season tournament goes out to bid, with conferences getting all of the revenue (minus the NCAA)?

Regardless, we need to do something to help take football to the next level, even if that means consistently winning 6-8 games yearly with a 9-10 win season every decade.
I like the combination of these two things:

(1) We're a traditional national basketball powerhouse (Top 10-15 all-time), and
(2) Our stellar Athletic Director is a football guy

I think these two facts should ensure we invest wisely and significantly in both sports.
 
#38      
Semi-related, I thought this was interesting. Serious funding they’ve raised, but also a zag from other programs thinking this type of facilities costs are no longer a smart approach.

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In their case this is probably icing on the cake, unique to mizzou. The donors want a comfy suite to watch their other donations at work on the field kind of thing.
 
#39      
I posted this in response to Jeremy's article because I think it's important to the whole discussion of cutting sports:



I went through Jeremy's posted chart or each sport to try and get a better view of what a sport costs the university. The problem with the Revenue/Expenses chart is it doesn't account for what the university makes via Tuition, Room/Board/Books/etc. on each athlete.

It's impossible to know what each athlete is getting via scholarships so all of this is an exercise in educated guessing.

*I didn't include FB, or M/W BB as they get full scholarships.

First, I found the roster size of each sport for the 2023-2024. I then subtracted the total number of scholarships available (This assumes all scholarships are used.)

I then went and got the COA for the 2023-2024 from the website. In-State ended up being 35k/year and Out-State/Int was 54k/year.

The biggest issue in all this comes here because there can be a wide variance in what the school is making due to tuition differences and living off-campus. So I ended up guessing that they make between 35k-45k/athlete a year.

Here is the result [The number is the result of ((Roster-Scholarships) * COA) -Athletic Deficit]

This should give a much better idea of the true cost to the university since athletics is not the only benefit from having the sports. For example, if wrestling were cut the University would save between 300k-575k a year approximately. All the way up to women's track at 1.6m-1.25m.

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#41      
Didn't men's gymnastics win the Big Ten championship like 2 years ago? Maybe even last year? If not, I know they're always competitive.
I believe there are only 5 Big Ten schools that still have a men's gymnastics program.
 
#42      
I posted this in response to Jeremy's article because I think it's important to the whole discussion of cutting sports:



I went through Jeremy's posted chart or each sport to try and get a better view of what a sport costs the university. The problem with the Revenue/Expenses chart is it doesn't account for what the university makes via Tuition, Room/Board/Books/etc. on each athlete.

It's impossible to know what each athlete is getting via scholarships so all of this is an exercise in educated guessing.

*I didn't include FB, or M/W BB as they get full scholarships.

First, I found the roster size of each sport for the 2023-2024. I then subtracted the total number of scholarships available (This assumes all scholarships are used.)

I then went and got the COA for the 2023-2024 from the website. In-State ended up being 35k/year and Out-State/Int was 54k/year.

The biggest issue in all this comes here because there can be a wide variance in what the school is making due to tuition differences and living off-campus. So I ended up guessing that they make between 35k-45k/athlete a year.

Here is the result [The number is the result of ((Roster-Scholarships) * COA) -Athletic Deficit]

This should give a much better idea of the true cost to the university since athletics is not the only benefit from having the sports. For example, if wrestling were cut the University would save between 300k-575k a year approximately. All the way up to women's track at 1.6m-1.25m.

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Take a look at the signings Petros is pulling of with the women's and men's track teams. Those, along with the rumblings of a national decathalon/heptathalon training center in Champaign, will offset any monetary losses. Huge prestige for Illinois!
 
#44      
I think all sports that aren’t profitable are in trouble. If we are going to compete in football and basketball, we need maximum payrolls. It no longer makes sense to divert football payroll to non revenue sports.

Plus, other universities are going to act similarly so there will be less opportunities to play non revenue sports. I think for sports to survive they will need to raise sport specific endowments to self fund. I don’t think DIA will be funding many unprofitable sports in the future.

Title 9 will affect the above thoughts in regards to women’s sports.
 
#45      
I think all sports that aren’t profitable are in trouble. If we are going to compete in football and basketball, we need maximum payrolls. It no longer makes sense to divert football payroll to non revenue sports.

Plus, other universities are going to act similarly so there will be less opportunities to play non revenue sports. I think for sports to survive they will need to raise sport specific endowments to self fund. I don’t think DIA will be funding many unprofitable sports in the future.

Title 9 will affect the above thoughts in regards to women’s sports.
There is also an accounting issue going on, possibly. These sports are supposed to be ‘non profit’. Not sure how much that gets factored into things.
 
#46      

Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
Is Men's Varsity Hockey at Illinois a dead and buried initiative now?
 
#47      
There is also an accounting issue going on, possibly. These sports are supposed to be ‘non profit’. Not sure how much that gets factored into things.
The individual sports are not non profit the athletic department is. It’s easy for the athletic department to remain a non profit just spend money on athletes, capital expenditures, staff or whatever.
 
#50      
Take a look at the signings Petros is pulling of with the women's and men's track teams. Those, along with the rumblings of a national decathalon/heptathalon training center in Champaign, will offset any monetary losses. Huge prestige for Illinois!
If Petros keeps this up, we'll soon be competing as our own country in Track and Field at the Olympics. He, Brad and Mike Small are simply at a different level than the rest. You have to keep those 3 fed.
 
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