Yup, you're absolutely right.Didn't men's gymnastics win the Big Ten championship like 2 years ago? Maybe even last year? If not, I know they're always competitive.
Yup, you're absolutely right.Didn't men's gymnastics win the Big Ten championship like 2 years ago? Maybe even last year? If not, I know they're always competitive.
2012 was our last championship in Men's Gymnastics. Stanford has won it the last 5 times in a row.Didn't men's gymnastics win the Big Ten championship like 2 years ago? Maybe even last year? If not, I know they're always competitive.
Stanford is in the Big Ten when it comes to gymnastics? Really? That's odd to me.2012 was our last championship in Men's Gymnastics. Stanford has won it the last 5 times in a row.
There are 15 total teams in NCAA Men's gymnastics. Not the Big Ten, the entire NCAA. Fifteen that include 3 Div. 3 teams. Twelve in Div. 1.2012 was our last championship in Men's Gymnastics. Stanford has won it the last 5 times in a row.
With conferences that span the whole country and the growing lack of regionality there might not be many chances to cut travel. No idea how insurance works for travel, but I’m assuming it plays a role and stipulates certain conditions need to be met for safety and all that. I’d say alternatives to scholarship money would be the best option for ‘cuts’, especially if players are considered employees. But that would likely just be moving things around on the balance sheet ultimately. Tough situation.Wonder how the expenses are broken down between coaching/administrative salaries, travel, and scholarship money. Seems like travel would be the easiest and least controversial to trim. But is it enough?
The obvious first domino to fall here would be the re-creation of the original Pac 10 as a non-revenue sport conference.People have obviously floated this in the past, but why the hell is there not more discussion about sports other than football and basketball just playing more regional schedules? It seems it would benefit the universities to not have to fund their travels, and it would at least be a bone thrown to those who miss the old regional conferences.
People have obviously floated this in the past, but why the hell is there not more discussion about sports other than football and basketball just playing more regional schedules? It seems it would benefit the universities to not have to fund their travels, and it would at least be a bone thrown to those who miss the old regional conferences.
I think someone gave a one-time $4 million donation in Shauna's first year.I know these are 2023 numbers but I thought I read that Women basketball was closer to break even than the 4 million loss. Same with Volleyball, with very few volleyball programs breaking even, we were one of the better programs dollar wise. Makes me wonder if the NIL money is taking away from the money donated to those programs directly. Not sure if we can get a breakdown of that. Right now WBB is a must have for students campus life as it is a growing sport. We could have filled the place if Iowa had played here last year.
I like the combination of these two things:One could argue that we are better served trying to resurrect football with every penny we have from a pure media attractiveness and media $ perspective. If the top football programs break off and we are left behind, that is an insane amount of $ for the athletic department that would disappear and crush all sports.
I want a hoops NC as much as anyone, but not if it comes at the expense of the entire athletic department. That said, I guarantee Whitman and everyone involved knows way more about our level of risk and where $ should go than any of us here, so we need to trust the process.
Question for all:
What happens if the NCAA disappears and a hoops post-season tournament goes out to bid, with conferences getting all of the revenue (minus the NCAA)?
Regardless, we need to do something to help take football to the next level, even if that means consistently winning 6-8 games yearly with a 9-10 win season every decade.
In their case this is probably icing on the cake, unique to mizzou. The donors want a comfy suite to watch their other donations at work on the field kind of thing.Semi-related, I thought this was interesting. Serious funding they’ve raised, but also a zag from other programs thinking this type of facilities costs are no longer a smart approach.
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I believe there are only 5 Big Ten schools that still have a men's gymnastics program.Didn't men's gymnastics win the Big Ten championship like 2 years ago? Maybe even last year? If not, I know they're always competitive.
Take a look at the signings Petros is pulling of with the women's and men's track teams. Those, along with the rumblings of a national decathalon/heptathalon training center in Champaign, will offset any monetary losses. Huge prestige for Illinois!I posted this in response to Jeremy's article because I think it's important to the whole discussion of cutting sports:
I went through Jeremy's posted chart or each sport to try and get a better view of what a sport costs the university. The problem with the Revenue/Expenses chart is it doesn't account for what the university makes via Tuition, Room/Board/Books/etc. on each athlete.
It's impossible to know what each athlete is getting via scholarships so all of this is an exercise in educated guessing.
*I didn't include FB, or M/W BB as they get full scholarships.
First, I found the roster size of each sport for the 2023-2024. I then subtracted the total number of scholarships available (This assumes all scholarships are used.)
I then went and got the COA for the 2023-2024 from the website. In-State ended up being 35k/year and Out-State/Int was 54k/year.
The biggest issue in all this comes here because there can be a wide variance in what the school is making due to tuition differences and living off-campus. So I ended up guessing that they make between 35k-45k/athlete a year.
Here is the result [The number is the result of ((Roster-Scholarships) * COA) -Athletic Deficit]
This should give a much better idea of the true cost to the university since athletics is not the only benefit from having the sports. For example, if wrestling were cut the University would save between 300k-575k a year approximately. All the way up to women's track at 1.6m-1.25m.
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See this is where those stats gets so misleading - WBB was likely told to invest in front of the results to build the program just like a longer term ROI vs actually operating recurring in the red.I think someone gave a one-time $4 million donation in Shauna's first year.
There is also an accounting issue going on, possibly. These sports are supposed to be ‘non profit’. Not sure how much that gets factored into things.I think all sports that aren’t profitable are in trouble. If we are going to compete in football and basketball, we need maximum payrolls. It no longer makes sense to divert football payroll to non revenue sports.
Plus, other universities are going to act similarly so there will be less opportunities to play non revenue sports. I think for sports to survive they will need to raise sport specific endowments to self fund. I don’t think DIA will be funding many unprofitable sports in the future.
Title 9 will affect the above thoughts in regards to women’s sports.
The individual sports are not non profit the athletic department is. It’s easy for the athletic department to remain a non profit just spend money on athletes, capital expenditures, staff or whatever.There is also an accounting issue going on, possibly. These sports are supposed to be ‘non profit’. Not sure how much that gets factored into things.
Despite whatever latent desire exists to start a D1 hockey team, I'd imagine the optics of doing so are terrible if you are simultaneously cutting other teams, especially if any are women's teams, given Title 9. Plus the whole funding the new arena thing.Is Men's Varsity Hockey at Illinois a dead and buried initiative now?
Yup, that's over.Is Men's Varsity Hockey at Illinois a dead and buried initiative now?
If Petros keeps this up, we'll soon be competing as our own country in Track and Field at the Olympics. He, Brad and Mike Small are simply at a different level than the rest. You have to keep those 3 fed.Take a look at the signings Petros is pulling of with the women's and men's track teams. Those, along with the rumblings of a national decathalon/heptathalon training center in Champaign, will offset any monetary losses. Huge prestige for Illinois!