I mean, if I need to do a per 48 comparison with Cole Anthony, I will too, but that's a 6'2 185 lb PG who went (just like Nash) 15th in the draft just last year. Better outside shooter, but Belo stacks up favorably against him on a usage basis in every other statistical category. And, for the people in the back of the room, Belo -clearly- needs to work on his outside shot.
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Cole Anthony was hurt for a big portion of the year and scouts just viewed Anthony differently than they view Curbelo.
You can point to per 48 stats all you want but that tells a fraction of the story, otherwise Garza (and countless other college stat stuffers) would have much higher draft stock.
I never said it was 'likely' - he's only 2/3 through his freshman year. You're arguing with someone else. I said "I'm at least willing to entertain the idea of him working himself into an NBA lottery pick going off the freshman stats....IF he develops his three point shot". But you have a great day.
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In all seriousness, freshman DWill was as far, if not farther, from a lottery pick than Curbelo. 20 lbs and 3 years of B1G basketball can...and will...change him too.
His shot will get better.
He could potentially be a cornerstone type guard for the right franchise. Obviously lots of things have to fall into place, but his ceiling is...through the roof.
In all seriousness, freshman DWill was as far, if not farther, from a lottery pick than Curbelo. 20 lbs and 3 years of B1G basketball can...and will...change him too.
His shot will get better.
He could potentially be a cornerstone type guard for the right franchise. Obviously lots of things have to fall into place, but his ceiling is...through the roof.
You are the one who jumped on my response to a post that definitively said Curbelo would be a lottery pick in 2023. If you think all he needs is to develop a 3 point shot, that's an opinion you are more than welcome to have. I think he needs to do a lot more than that.
Sorry for bringing actual statistics into your private convo.You are the one who jumped on my response to a post that definitively said Curbelo would be a lottery pick in 2023. If you think all he needs is to develop a 3 point shot, that's an opinion you are more than welcome to have. I think he needs to do a lot more than that.
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I would argue that 18 shots is too small of a sample size to know how good he is at it. The only take away is that for whatever reason he (or the coach) does not see that as his role right now. That said, I am aware that he probably does need to work on it (hence the agreement that he has work to do). Three point shooting can improve with practice. But I do think he has a singular gift at seeing the court, and with work will be an even more elite distributor. That’s really hard to teach and I think that’s what will differentiate him from the competition. If he has the drive to do it, he will make gains in the weight room. We are talking two years from now - we’ve all seen what dedication there does for athleticism with several Illini already. Okay, you might technically “get me” on the lottery pick, but I think he has a very high ceiling. More than most on this roster. More than most in this league. All I am saying is that there is still ample room to “buy” Curbelo stock.
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Nobody said he was definitely a lottery pick.You are the one who jumped on my response to a post that definitively said Curbelo would be a lottery pick in 2023. If you think all he needs is to develop a 3 point shot, that's an opinion you are more than welcome to have. I think he needs to do a lot more than that.
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It sounds like I need to go buy a beach house to bet. I expect Curbelo to start as of next year. I also expect him to go pro after 1-2 more years.
Major weaknesses:
1) Drives into traffic (mental).
2) Isn't finishing drives efficiently; either at the rim, or with the floater.
3) His 3 point shot needs work.
#1 is a matter of experience. He will get it. His passing is good enough that he can probably make it as a pro if he fixes #1 and either of the others. If he fixes all 3, he is a lottery pick.
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I took it as light-hearted enthusiasm. It’s okay to make bold statements. We just have too many Richards around here.
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Odds are against him (and Ayo), only 4 upper classmen taken as lottery picks the last 4 seasons. Zero in 2020.
Luka Garza's statistics compare favorably to a lot of people too. Yet he won't sniff the first round.
My background is in statistics so maybe that's why I understand that statistics only tell a part of the story, especially when it comes to the NBA draft.
Yes they did. Go back to the OP. He said he would be a lottery pick in 2023. That was what I originally responded to.
EDIT: So responding to bold statements makes someone genitalia. Got it.
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Not a great look for Michigan and I am so hilariously excited to hear any official explanation from UM or the Big Ten. If they don't make up the Illinois/Michigan game, there will be a LOT of explaining to do. After the whole OSU football debacle, you would think the Big Ten would be more careful about its image with favoritism/protecting its postseason money prospects and lay down the law to make sure Illinois/Michigan happens.
FTR, I don't care if we play Michigan on Thursday or in March, so if it's rescheduled ... whatever. Still total dodging move on their part, but at least we get a shot at that paper tiger, and my money is on the Illini being a tougher and tougher team to play as each week goes by this year.
FTR, I don't care if we play Michigan on Thursday or in March, so if it's rescheduled ... whatever. Still total dodging move on their part, but at least we get a shot at that paper tiger, and my money is on the Illini being a tougher and tougher team to play as each week goes by this year.
Curbelo is my favorite player to watch on this team and that's saying something.
His 3 point shot doesn't look very good though, by memory many of them has missed badly. At least 1 of his makes was a bank shot. The only good one I remember was a corner 3 against Baylor that Ayo dishes to him.
His 3 point shot doesn't look very good though, by memory many of them has missed badly. At least 1 of his makes was a bank shot. The only good one I remember was a corner 3 against Baylor that Ayo dishes to him.
But his FT was only 74% as a freshman...clearly there's no way a 6'1" 180 lb point guard who's not elite from the line could be a lottery pick in the...oh wait.AC has a little Jason Williams in him
Because I was bored....
the big differences between White Chocolate and Curbelo as freshmen from a statistical standpoint are:
1) SoS - our schedule is absolutely loaded. Marshall in '96 was like the 22nd ranked conference in the country. Not great. Not good. Not even mediocre. The competition in that league stunk.
2) Belo is...not a great 3pt shooter!
But wait! There's more...the 3 pt line is also nearly 2 1/4' further out than it was in the early-mid 90's.Other than that, Belo is rebounding at a 20% higher rate per 40, and Williams was making and taking more of his shots from 3 pt land. Other than that, they're pretty close. Belo turns the ball over at a slightly higher rate as well.
He may get there, he may not...who the flip knows. But the kid can play at a high level. It's on him and BU to take it to the next step.
JWill was an assassin from the 3 point line, even as a freshman. (38%; over 90 attempts)
Andre is 3 for 18. He has a lot of work to do to get there.
Those were different days defensively too. You could grab and hold, be physical... Now all nba players can do is try to cut off passing and driving driving lanes. It’s really hard to do if you aren’t well over 6 feet tall.
I’d love to eat my words, but lottery pick seems a bit much.
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