My guy really stumbled in here like drunk, nude Santa Claus falling out of my fireplace with “FIRE BRAD!!!” and “B1G is mid-tier” takes and can’t understand why people would raise questions
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My guy really stumbled in here like drunk, nude Santa Claus falling out of my fireplace with “FIRE BRAD!!!” and “B1G is mid-tier” takes and can’t understand why people would raise questions
Michigan is not the team it was when Yaxel was working his way back from injury to start the season. On top of that they've played two cupcakes to our five.
1. We had some guys working their way back from injuries as well
2. The metrics already take into account opponent strength
Regardless, there isn’t a huge difference between 3 and 7 so your points aren’t without some merit
Edit: I should add their last 5-6 games have been especially impressive, so they might be closer to #1 in that timeframe
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It’s not your overall point, so this isn’t meant to start anything.
But Maryland is well behind Colgate in the NET
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So where is this info from because it's egregiously wrong.
This discussion is going nowhere fast, but just let me point out the irony in basing all of your opinions about what is good and what is not good on the outcomes of a single elimination tournament that accounts for anywhere from 3%-16% of a given team's schedule (depending on how far they make it - for a S16 team you're looking at about 9%) and then complaining about small sample sizes.
Your point would hold some merit if I was using 1 year of tournament data. I provided a decade worth, thus your data is mutt. Because the sample size ain’t that small. The big ten is bad in March. And has been for awhile.
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Yet still is nowhere close to being a "mid-tier" conference
“Big 10 mid-tier conference” thing…
Here are players on current NBA rosters by conference:
Big 10 - 96
SEC - 82
ACC - 76
Big 12 - 63
Big East - 36
WCC - 21
MWC - 13
American - 12
A10 - 10
Mo Valley - 4
C-USA - 3
MAC - 3
Horizon - 2
Bunch of other conferences with 1 each. 4 guys played college ball at a non-D I school.
Obviously this doesn’t include Euros, straight to G-League, etc players who didn’t go to college.
Here are players on current NBA rosters by conference:
Big 10 - 96
SEC - 82
ACC - 76
Big 12 - 63
Big East - 36
WCC - 21
MWC - 13
American - 12
A10 - 10
Mo Valley - 4
C-USA - 3
MAC - 3
Horizon - 2
Bunch of other conferences with 1 each. 4 guys played college ball at a non-D I school.
Obviously this doesn’t include Euros, straight to G-League, etc players who didn’t go to college.
Its ok, he has now backpedaled all of the way to "hasn't done extremely well in the tournament that makes up less than 5% of the season for most teams"
We’re 14-11 postseason (B1G/NCAA Tourney) since Brad has been at the helm. We very rarely steal a game that we’re not suppose to win, and seem to have a tough time beating teams we should
I’ve asked you multiple times… what has the big ten done recently to be considered a top tier conference…
dude I'm sorry but your data is WAYYYYY off lol. It's something like
102 players for SEC.
77 for ACC
61 for big ten
55 Big 12
Every single conclusion you've come to in this entire conversation is based on the results of an annual tournament that accounts for less than 1/6 of the college basketball schedule.
This is still going on!!?? I figured I'd do a quick wellness check on the people who had veins bulging out of their temples on Saturday. Still going strong apparently!
Of all of the games to lose in heartbreaking fashion....it had to be the one right before a 9 day layoff.
Of all of the games to lose in heartbreaking fashion....it had to be the one right before a 9 day layoff.
I would like to thank all the commenters here who agree with my opinions, because if it weren't for you, everyone here would be wrong about everything all of the time.
It’s 94 including the Pac12 teams.
If you just select “big ten” and “entire conference,” it isn’t including the Pac12 teams as none of them are listed. Go one by one for each of the 4 teams (UCLA, USC, WASH, ORE) and add them to the 61.
94 in total.
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Choose not to include the newer teams as we were talking about last decade and they were still in the Pac 12. But yeah, correct if we do it that way the numbers would be:
SEC - 114 players / 16 teams = 7 players per team
Big 10 - 94 players / 18 teams = 5.2 players per team
ACC - 85 players / 18 teams = 4.7 players per team
Big 12 - 77 players / 16 teams = 4.8 Players per team
Big East - 35 players / 11 teams = 3.18
SEC - IMO is far and above the best conference right now if you are trying to get to the NBA. Biggest gap is when you look at scoring and STD DEV, Ayo for example is like 6th in the NBA for the big ten in scoring at 15ppg. He would not be in the top 30 for SEC scorers, top 20 for the ACC, or top 12 in the BIG 12. The talent coming out of the big ten is not at the same level as other conferences. Numbers.. sure. But when you look at the gap. Its very wide.
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I think it’s fair to divide it up by perspective, though … pre-2020 should absolutely be considered apples to oranges given the rebuild, and there obviously wasn’t a Tournament. So, I think it’s only fair to judge 2021 and on.
From there, I would consider two things:
1) Did we achieve an appropriate seed given the team we had on our hands?
2) Did we underachieve in the Tournament given our seed and eventual draw?
And I’d put it like this.
2021 - Massively overachieved our expectations to get a #1 seed. Massively underachieved our expectations to lose in the Second Round as a #1 seed.
2022 - Met expectations to get a #4 seed. Met expectations losing in the Second Round, given we got Houston in our bracket.
2023 - Massively underachieved getting a #9 seed. Mildly underachieved in our First Round loss, though we were all probably not surprised.
2024 - Exceeded our expectations to get a #3 seed, given we were barely a top 25 team preseason. Exceeded our expectations to make the Elite Eight, given (A) we at least finally made the Sweet Sixteen and (B) we were underdogs vs. #2 seed Iowa State.
2025 - Mildly underachieved getting a #6 seed, given the up-and-down season and being on track for a protected seed at multiple junctures. I guess met expectations by losing in the Second Round to a #3 seed, but our effort itself was a pretty big disappointment in that game.
So, as far as NCAAT performance given the seed, only 2021 stands out as a clear choke job. However, the issue - especially post-Trent and DaMonte - appears to be too many head scratching regular season losses that are pushing our seed ceiling so low that we have so little margin for error … I’m praying we can at least get to that #3 seed line this year where you at LEAST don’t need to play above your average level twice in a row to make the Sweet Sixteen.
Watching UofL Tngame. Showed top 5 freshmen. Wagler not getting any love after the games he has played.
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