Illini Basketball 2025-2026

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Need to look at more than the final score

vs Texas Tech, as you pointed out, but other than that...
vs Tennessee was a 6 pt game with 4:21 left
at Ohio State was a 3 pt game with 1:19 left
at Iowa was a 4 pt game with 1:53 left
at Northwestern was a 6 pt game with 4:13 left
at Purdue was a 2 pt game with 45 seconds left

Main thing is that for the most part Illinois has demolished any and all non-Q1 competition (sans Wisconsin when Kylan and Andrej both were out) so really limits the number of 'close' games played.. the 5 Q2 wins have been by an average of 22 points..
We were referring to 1-2 possession games. None of the games you mentioned, besides Purdue, were a 1-2 possession game. The Purdue game was a 2 point game with 19 seconds to go. But you are correct in that we have taken care of all non-Q1 competition.
 
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Texas Tech, but I had to go back and look. But I agree that we just can't seem to close out close games!! Very frustrating to say the least.
i made a post refuting this before in more detail but the gist

We've won a few other close games that dont get captured bc ppl use the final score as the metric

Purdue was a +/- 3 pts game til the final minute where keaton scored a floater and then made fts to push lead to 6.......so all of a sudden that isnt a close game if you use the final score of hte game being more than a 4/5 pt win. IE we would be better using that metric if keaton had missed one of the fts LOL

then there were games like iowa/OSU that were within 3-5 pts near the end and we executed and got a 5+ pt win
 
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I know it probably will be Lendeborg, but just for the comparison, boy those splits are terrific for Wagler.
I would give it to Landeborg because of his defense and Michigan being 19-1 or 18-2 in conference. Landsberg is a terrific defensive player but I am stilled puzzled why he did not go pro last year. Maybe he slightly improved his draft stock by playing harder competition but he was a great defender last year and NBA scouts knew that. We all saw what happened to JT Toppin and Cason from Michigan. How much money has JT Toppin lost by playing this year and injuring his ACL?
 
#83      
I'm not here to argue the fairness of the assessment... I agree that its fair for SI standards but unfortunately these days not a very high bar...

With that said, it's a wild move for Pranav to write this right before going into the NCAA Tournament with perhaps our best or second-best roster of a really good Underwood era. It seems like one of the worst positions that you can put yourself in as a beat writer is to write an article like this and then have to secretly root against your team so that it can validate a take like "perhaps Brad Underwood has hit his ceiling."

I'd actually go as far as calling it "lame".There is few things worse than takes like this, especially at this time of year, and then do the "hey! am i not allowed to ask questions?!" nonsense.

If Illinois makes the second weekend this year, they will have made the second weekend 2 out of 3 years. They will not have bowed out in the first round in 3 consecutive tournaments. If they make the elite 8 (depending S16 matchup spread), Underwood will not have lost a tournament game he was favored in SINCE LOYOLA!

As an aside, saying the in-game adjustment critique is grounded... Would love to hear his thoughts on specific in-game adjustments. Would be riveting.
 
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Updating the 3 pt shooting analysis (conf and quad 1/2 games) with 1 game left in reg season

Conf
Aj redd 50% he deserves to be included for making me LOL with that curry pull up last game
Keaton 43%
Mirk 41%
Jake 40%
Ben 37 %
kylan 30%
Tomi 30%
Z 27%
Stoj 21%

Man they would be cooking if the ivisics just got close to their historical averages, both are capable of 35-37%

Quad 1/2
Keaton 45%
Mirk 39%
Jake 38%
Ben 38%
Tomi 32%
Kylan 27%
Z 27%
Stoj 21%
 
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Updating the 3 pt shooting analysis (conf and quad 1/2 games) with 1 game left in reg season

Conf
Aj redd 50% he deserves to be included for making me LOL with that curry pull up last game
Keaton 43%
Mirk 41%
Jake 40%
Ben 37 %
kylan 30%
Tomi 30%
Z 27%
Stoj 21%

Man they would be cooking if the ivisics just got close to their historical averages, both are capable of 35-37%

Quad 1/2
Keaton 45%
Mirk 39%
Jake 38%
Ben 38%
Tomi 32%
Kylan 27%
Z 27%
Stoj 21%
at least we are better than last year. we need Boswell to stop shooting threes. no 3s from him early in the shot clock and no step back 3s r need him to be now more of passer, both on the arc but also drive and kick. we need end of last year Boswell who went to the hoop with authority. I hope that comes back when be feels the hand is fully healthy. I wouldn't even mind him with the ball looking to pass with Keaton on the wing ready to turn the second action into something

tomi just needs to get out of the slump. same with z at least from the arc. we can live if only one is making shots but become lethal when both. add on clutch tomi and we can be unbeatable. I'll take as many z lob dunks as possible as well.
 
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We were referring to 1-2 possession games. None of the games you mentioned, besides Purdue, were a 1-2 possession game. The Purdue game was a 2 point game with 19 seconds to go. But you are correct in that we have taken care of all non-Q1 competition.

All of the games I listed were 1-2 possession games with anywhere from 4 minutes to 19 seconds remaining, Illinois just put their foot on the gas at the very end. Don’t want to penalize them for that, so it’s certainly worth consideration. It’s just seeing a problem and digging a little deeper is all.
 
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I disagree. I’m not saying it’s all correct, but to say there haven’t been concerns over in-game adjustments is ignoring a myriad of assessments that have been made on this board year after year. I’m not reading the article like it’s gospel, just that it raises fair issues that we have witnessed up to this point—emphasis on up to this point. The E8 was a breakthrough and I still think he has another breakthrough in him, but it’s fair to pose the questions raised in the article, even if you don’t believe they are all true.
 
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Pranav celebrating meeting his deadline for this absolute banger:

maywa denki robot GIF
 
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I disagree. I’m not saying it’s all correct, but to say there haven’t been concerns over in-game adjustments is ignoring a myriad of assessments that have been made on this board year after year. I’m not reading the article like it’s gospel, just that it raises fair issues that we have witnessed up to this point—emphasis on up to this point. The E8 was a breakthrough and I still think he has another breakthrough in him, but it’s fair to pose the questions raised in the article, even if you don’t believe they are all true.

I’d have more respect for articles like this if he just said it with his chest instead of toeing the line…

Just say “Brad underwood has taken this program as far it can go and we need a change.”

It’s obviously ridiculous to say underwood isn’t possible of (another) breakthrough. And he won’t be fired anytime soon, so it would be a fruitless take.

But just waffling on both sides of the fence as the article does, lacks what the point of an opinion piece is and you had no real take at all. Just played both sides so you can’t be wrong.
 
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I disagree. I’m not saying it’s all correct, but to say there haven’t been concerns over in-game adjustments is ignoring a myriad of assessments that have been made on this board year after year. I’m not reading the article like it’s gospel, just that it raises fair issues that we have witnessed up to this point—emphasis on up to this point. The E8 was a breakthrough and I still think he has another breakthrough in him, but it’s fair to pose the questions raised in the article, even if you don’t believe they are all true.
The thing is, he didn’t make any arguments at all. ChatGPT made those arguments for him. Each of those sentences I highlighted show the obvious use of AI.
 
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AI has a great way of saying a lot without saying anything. It also loves to use mic drop statements like "But stability isn't the finish line. It's the start."

These lines are then used as highlighted blurbs within the article.

I work in the AI space, so I see it all the time.
So what you're saying is that you're an AI? Got it (y)
Edit: I'm not sure if this was intentional or not...
Double Edit: The final part is the mic drop...
 
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I’d have more respect for articles like this if he just said it with his chest instead of toeing the line…

Just say “Brad underwood has taken this program as far it can go and we need a change.”

It’s obviously ridiculous to say underwood isn’t possible of (another) breakthrough. And he won’t be fired anytime soon, so it would be a fruitless take.

But just waffling on both sides of the fence as the article does, lacks what the point of an opinion piece is and you had no real take at all. Just played both sides so you can’t be wrong.
I mean, he did say "it feels like Illinois has hit its ceiling" with Brad Underwood. Thats pretty much saying exactly how he feels. Im in the exact same camp. Super appreciative of Underwood, but still understand that his one flaw is a back breaker come March when we need 6 in a row. But I also understand that if we get some breaks to go our way and get hot that all of it can be overcome and who knows, maybe we CAN. I would love to be wrong. There's really no better man I would love to see get us our first natty than Brad. Hes a great human, great ambassador for our program and the culture he sets is 2nd to none. But I don't think there's anything wrong with this writer having an honest assessment about the state of the program. A lot of fans feel the exact same way.
 
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The thing is, he didn’t make any arguments at all. ChatGPT made those arguments for him. Each of those sentences I highlighted show the obvious use of AI.
I can agree with that. My initial point was that it is at least fairer than what is usually trotted out from SI. Granted, it’s not a high bar.
 
#99      
I don't remember illinois rules for raftering jerseys and I could look it up, but where is KW at in regards to getting up there. All American does the trick doesn't it?
 
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I don't remember illinois rules for raftering jerseys and I could look it up, but where is KW at in regards to getting up there. All American does the trick doesn't it?
Consensus 1st or 2nd team AA does it and is the likeliest path. B1G POY is probably the next easiest path, but I don't think he gets that.

 
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