this is a 72-75 ppg team. we're not a fast break team with 2 of Tomi, Z, Mirk on the floorIf we play at the same pace we would probably shatter it to score 88 points per game
together.
this is a 72-75 ppg team. we're not a fast break team with 2 of Tomi, Z, Mirk on the floorIf we play at the same pace we would probably shatter it to score 88 points per game
I think it was Warren’s decision not to grant Illinois a share of the Big Ten title in 2021. Illinois finished the COVID-19 season with the most conference wins at 16-4, beating Michigan on its home court, but the Wolverines won the outright regular season championship with a 14-3 record. Illinois athletic director Josh Whitman advocated last March for the Illini to receive their due.Putting this question here because no great place to put it and I think it might have happened at BIG basketball media days. I seem to remember former commissioner Kevin Warren making a faux pas that riled up Illini Nation a bit. I think it might have been calling the Illini, Illinois University. Anyone remember what it was?
And to stay on topic, really looking forward to this coming season. Typically I’m pretty optimistic going into a new season, but not sure it is always warranted. This year it will be warranted and can’t wait for Brad and company to advance even further this year. Please be so.
pru i know you spend enough time on this board to know this has been a frequent topic of discussionAllowing for puke to having an elite roster on an annual basis , my major question is " how good of a
coach is John Scheyer ?? ".......... is he a top 5 coach ??...............as talented as puke usually is , are their players overrated or is it their coach that is lacking ?.............
The Illini have the talent on our roster to be Top 5 starting the season and there is zero chance I would trade BU for JS........
ZERO CHANCE......................JMHO.......................
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I remember that, but I could swear there was something that happened at media days one year. Thought it was getting the schools name wrong. Maybe it was mispronouncing a name like Bielema. Maybe I’m crazy.I think it was Warren’s decision not to grant Illinois a share of the Big Ten title in 2021. Illinois finished the COVID-19 season with the most conference wins at 16-4, beating Michigan on its home court, but the Wolverines won the outright regular season championship with a 14-3 record. Illinois athletic director Josh Whitman advocated last March for the Illini to receive their due.
Well, he did talk about it at the following year’s basketball media days. Maybe that is what you are thinking of? Here is something I found: Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren doubled down on his decision, along with league leaders, to not award Illinois a share of the Big Ten basketball title last season. Warren was asked about the situation during his opening remarks of the conference’s basketball media day at Gainbridge Fieldhouse in Indianapolis on Thursday morning (this was in early October of ’21).Thanks for the reply. Yes, I remember that, but I could swear there was something that happened at media days one year. Thought it was getting the schools name wrong. Maybe it was mispronouncing a name like Bielema. Maybe I’m crazy.
Last 3 years we were 83-84 ppg. Last year 84.4 ppg. Should see numbers like last year.this is a 72-75 ppg team. we're not a fast break team with 2 of Tomi, Z, Mirk on the floor
together.
You might be combining two memories, as I’m pretty sure when he was (awkwardly forced to be) presenting us the 2021 BTT Championship onstage after that game, he was being booed the whole time and (IIRC) did accidentally say “Illinois University.”Thanks for the reply. Yes, I remember that, but I could swear there was something that happened at media days one year. Thought it was getting the schools name wrong. Maybe it was mispronouncing a name like Bielema. Maybe I’m crazy.
That must be it. Thought it was at media day, but was pretty sure it was him saying Illinois University. Thanks.You might be combining two memories, as I’m pretty sure when he was (awkwardly forced to be) presenting us the 2021 BTT Championship onstage after that game, he was being booed the whole time and (IIRC) did accidentally say “Illinois University.”
I usually try not to give TOO hot of takes on a Saturday afternoon, but I truly don’t understand the perspective that Warren was not a total moron and a half.![]()
Do not agree with that analysis.Should be free link:
“1. Illinois
Starters: Stefan Vaaks (No. 11 transfer, 6-7 CG), Jake Davis, Andrej Stojakovic, David Mirkovic, Tomislav Ivisic
Other notable returners: Zvonimir Ivisic
Newcomers: Quentin Coleman (No. 13 freshman, 6-4 SG), Lucas Morillo (No. 52 freshman, 6-7 SG), Zavier Zens (No. 52 freshman, 6-7 SG), Ethan Brown (No. 170 freshman, 6-4 CG), Landon Davis (No. 150 freshman, 6-8 PF)
Here’s my logic for going against consensus by slotting Illinois over Florida: The Illini finished one spot ahead of the Gators in the KenPom rankings, made the Final Four out of the same region and return four players who started at least 21 games on a historically efficient offense. Illinois has to replace a lottery pick, while Florida just has to replace guard Xaivian Lee; that’s a point in Florida’s favor. But I’d argue that Illinois has upgraded its bench and found the perfect Keaton Wagler replacement in Stefan Vaaks.
The Illini have the nation’s best backup big in Zvonimir Ivisic and need to hit on just one or two of their four freshman guards to round out the rotation. A reason for believing the bench could be improved is the addition of Quentin Coleman, who recently moved from No. 34 in his class to 13th, landing in five-star territory.
This will be another year together for a lovable core that had to gain confidence from its tourney run. Losing Kylan Boswell and Ben Humrichous will be a hit to the defense, and my biggest question is team speed, particularly on the perimeter, but this offense should be awesome again, and David Mirkovic is about to become a star. If Vaaks or Coleman end up looking like an NBA prospect, the ceiling is higher than a year ago because of the continuity in Champaign.”
Talk about ignorance LMAO.this is a 72-75 ppg team. we're not a fast break team with 2 of Tomi, Z, Mirk on the floor
together.
Our offense would need to be massively disappointing for this to be the case (even if we play a similar pace to last year).this is a 72-75 ppg team.
So…a 9 piece…you might say?Think they’re going to add another piece …
Although neither Tomi or Mirk are fast they would both be effective at starting the fast break as good rebounders and passers. Dre would be the best we’ve had since TSJ in speed and finishing. I expect us to look more like that team with Vaaks looking like Domask at times. However can’t picture QC as Ty Rodgers.When it comes to offense I think there's a good chance we aren't as efficient, but will be more explosive. Last year we played slow and shot pretty average from 3. That let teams stay in it even when we were clicking offensively. This year I'm hoping we have a much better 3pt shooting team. A lot of that will depend on the twins shooting it better.
But I'm most interested in tempo. Don't forget we tried playing fast to start last season. It wasn't working and the slower we played the better we got as the season went along. It will be interesting if we try to play fast again. Vaaks played fast at Providence. Andrej would benefit playing downhill, similar to TSJ. Big Z is a great rim runner. Not sure about Quentin, but he seems like the type of player you let go into attack mode. The 2 players I don't see benefiting in an up tempo style are Tomi and Mirk.
I believe we've averaged 83+ points each of the last three seasons. This team has scorers all positions. Defense will likely be a much bigger concern than putting points on the board.this is a 72-75 ppg team. we're not a fast break team with 2 of Tomi, Z, Mirk on the floor
together.
Those in glass houses...Do not agree with that analysis.
Coleman is not coming off the bench, and we have not upgraded our bench (though I won't say it's a significant downgrade). We lost Ben, and replaced with Morillo.
Overall, it implies the view of someone who isn't deeply in-tuned with our team.
Talk about ignorance LMAO.
2026: 83.2ppg
2025: 83.6ppg
2024: 83.4ppg
Agreed. Hopefully the coaches can focus on defense. With a top 20 defense this coming season, the Illini can compete for a final four. If they can get to a top 10 defense...I believe we've averaged 83+ points each of the last three seasons. This team has scorers all positions. Defense will likely be a much bigger concern than putting points on the board.
Yes. Vaaks is a downgrade from Wagler, but not the biggest downgrade on the roster.So I guess I’m wondering, if we get that version of Drej all year (big if I know) such that we have a lock down defender on the perimeter, could we be better on the perimeter even if Coleman isn’t quite as good a defender as Keaton (not a given. Kid competes). And as amazing as it is to say, is Ben the player we will miss the most defensively?
I hate to ask but how have previous preseason #1's in this poll ended the year?The Athletic has us #1 in their latest preseason poll.
Is Brad gonna save an open slot to possibly fill in Dec like he likes to do?Think they’re going to add another piece …
When you put it in your Illinois BB box to justify, I guess it’s not hard for you to grasp to make yourself right.There’s a limit because:
1) a team’s points per possession AND possessions played are not limitless (even with superb efficiency). Hence, the points to go around are not limitless. Last year we only had 82.1 points per 40min (65.7 x 1.249) to distribute between all the players.
2) there’s a limit to how many shots a player is allowed to take, on a per outing basis (whatever you think that quantity is for that particular guy). More shots for one guy = less for the another.
Hence, it’s just fantasy to claim, for example, that every guy in our starting lineup will score 15 per game. The points and shots to go around are not unlimited.
If you think Coleman or Tomi will score 16-17/game, then the other guys’ points will almost certainly have to come down. If you take Keaton Wagler off last year’s team, then assuredly Andrej, Kylan, David would score more points. Would we be a better team? Absolutely not.
That really shouldn’t be all too hard to grasp.