Shoot, with the addition of Lincoln, and Jakstys getting cleared, the 9th man stuff kind of dried up like south Texas.Dead Period Loyalty > 9th Man Debate Loyalty
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Unless you're in Houston. You'll die.
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Shoot, with the addition of Lincoln, and Jakstys getting cleared, the 9th man stuff kind of dried up like south Texas.
To be fair, the summer hype is just that the vast majority of the time. Wagler was definitely the exception.So when we kept hearing that Wagler was really good last year it was "summer hype"?
Too lazy to look it up, but my recollection was Andrej, Boz & Keaton all had lackluster sprint numbers, which passed the eye test since teams were always back on us59th of 71 in the 3/4 court sprint at NBA combine
Its a high bar. He is a good athlete but not freak.
TSJ was ranked 1 in 3/4 court sprint at combine
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/terrence-shannon-nba-draft/
Let #thefletchening commence!Didn’t see JPR report for Landon Davis
The commentators have to have something to talk about other than Keaton wagler only having one other high major offer every gameIs Vaaks the biggest PG in Illinois history?
Insiders, I have a suggestion, can someone on staff please make two (2) media guides, one preseason and one mid season?The commentators have to have something to talk about other than Keaton wagler only having one other high major offer every game
Worth noting that the game has changed.Just depends on personnel. Had the #3 ranked offense in ‘24 with TJ that played with pretty good pace. #66 nationally in tempo (#308 last year).
That 2019 Maryland game has to be there.
Not sure we expect Jakstys to play anything close to meaningful minutes. He's in the Brandon Lieb role.Shoot, with the addition of Lincoln, and Jakstys getting cleared, the 9th man stuff kind of dried up like south Texas.
Ben H. 2.0 maybe ?Didn’t see JPR report for Landon Davis
First question of the article, which everyone can see for free:This is totally looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
Seek the most effective and efficient possession strategies for the players you have, tempo is just a byproduct of that. You don't dictate a tempo in hopes of that producing efficiency, it's the other way around.
When you have Terrence Shannon, barreling to the rim in transition is a more efficient possession than having him create from the top of the key late in the shot clock. When you have Keaton Wagler it's the opposite.
Brad and Tyler really get this and have been very intelligent and creative in maximizing it. Our KenPom offensive rating is going to continue to be very impressive, I think we should have zero doubt of that. If we spring a leak it will be elsewhere.
This. All of it.First question of the article, which everyone can see for free:
“I don't anticipate Illinois will try to do a lot differently offensively this season. The shift to a slower pace was very intentional last year and produced the No. 1 offensive efficiency in the country for most of the season. Yes, Keaton Wagler was certainly a big part of that, but a lot of the personnel on next year's team is the same (Mirkovic's usage will likely increase) and Stefan Vaakshas a lot of similarities to Wagler as a primary playmaker. He's not going to beat with open floor speed or top-tier athleticism; he's going to win with ball screen decision-making and halfcourt shot creation.
Jeremy did a great piece back in Januaryabout the Illini's offense, and in it Tyler Underwood talked about the adjustment to playing slower last season. He felt like they got too sped up in 2024-25, when the Illini ranked 17th nationally in tempo, and weren't generating the types of shots they wanted consistently. So, they tried to model the Boston Celtics and slowed things down considerably to help their players find and exploit matchups better and also conserve energy to stay on the court.
Now, can Illinois create more transition opportunities with this roster? I think so. Quentin Coleman really shined in that area during the AmeriCup and looked very comfortable making plays in transition. Andrej Stojakovic is a great open floor athlete who can probably take advantage of that more in Year 2. With David Mirkovictaking on more responsibility this year, I think you'll see him grab and go a little bit more instead of always trying to get the ball into Wagler's hands like last year.
In general, though, I think this team will want to play slower again, and they should be elite doing it.“
Okay fine, this past year:Worth noting that the game has changed.
Our 125.5 rating in 2024 was good for 3rd for that year, but would be 10th in 2026.
Alabama finished with the #3 offense last year at 129.7.
To be a top 3 offense next year, we’re probably gonna have to be pushing 130.
Attempts per game is useless.Davis needs to look for his shot more. He's the best shooter on the team.
Ben and Jake were virtually identical players offensively. However, Ben's 3pt attempts per game were significantly higher.
Jake should have many of the same shots available to him (and he's a far better shooter than Ben).
Already hearing some stuff.....will post something by the end of the weekend after the first week is done.
I will add one nugget already: Stefan Vaaks has exceeded expectations so far.
Ben was pretty quick to get his shot off and was looking to shoot anytime he could when under 30 ft. Jake only shoots when open and was deterred anytime a defender was within 6 ft. He can get more shots, but needs to work on a quicker process and maybe some moves to get open. I can't recall him shooting off a screen but that could happen (maybe it did but I did not see it). It is somewhat surprising that he is not more aggressive in his shooting... but then with all the other offensively talented guys on the team, he does not have to be. That could change though.Davis needs to look for his shot more. He's the best shooter on the team.
Ben and Jake were virtually identical players offensively. However, Ben's 3pt attempts per game were significantly higher.
Jake should have many of the same shots available to him (and he's a far better shooter than Ben).
I think Ben's 3pt shot attempts were higher because he played more (22.2 MPG vs Jake's 19.4). If you adjust Jake's total 3PA over the year of 133 to 22.2 MPG, you get 153 3PA on the season, vs Ben's 158 total, so Ben actually took approx. 3% more 3PA than Jake over the course of the season.Davis needs to look for his shot more. He's the best shooter on the team.
Ben and Jake were virtually identical players offensively. However, Ben's 3pt attempts per game were significantly higher.
Jake should have many of the same shots available to him (and he's a far better shooter than Ben).
I agree Ben has the higher quicker release of the two. But I think Jake’s release is quicker/better than you’re giving him credit for. I can’t go along with the “six feet” stuff.Ben was pretty quick to get his shot off and was looking to shoot anytime he could when under 30 ft. Jake only shoots when open and was deterred anytime a defender was within 6 ft. He can get more shots, but needs to work on a quicker process and maybe some moves to get open. I can't recall him shooting off a screen but that could happen (maybe it did but I did not see it). It is somewhat surprising that he is not more aggressive in his shooting... but then with all the other offensively talented guys on the team, he does not have to be. That could change though.
Jakstys 6'10' 220 is significantly stronger than Lieb so he can help out of somebody is beating up Tomas or Big Z in the paint and David is in foul trouble.Not sure we expect Jakstys to play anything close to meaningful minutes. He's in the Brandon Lieb role.