Illini Basketball 2026-2027
Then how many backcourts can you name that had both guys who were All BIG? (last 10 years)Let’s not get this all twisted, you claimed they were the “best B1G backcourt in the last 10 years” and they might not even be the 30th best
Domask and Shannon is one example. The fact that you can only name one, despite sounding so arrogant, kind of proves my point.
Mara, Morez, Yaxel was the best frontcourt.
sports-reference.com only has 1st/2nd/3rd team going back to 2020 but its happened 15x... so about 3x per season
So I named more than 1... there's 15
And we're using your own criteria that you've chosen yourself 3 separate times and forced upon everyone else throughout the whole discussion:
1. "oh no, we must use PPG"
2. "oh no, we mustn't use BPM, we must use PORPAGATU!"
3. "oh no, we must use All B1G"
And you've been proven wrong every single time. There is no metric exists that places Boyd/Blackwell anywhere near the "best B1G backcourt of the last 10 years".
You had the cute little kissy face emoji in your last message, so about this whole 'sounding so arrogant' thing: I'm just mirroring your own attitude. You act like this is basically inarguable that they're the undisputed best backcourt of the last 10 years, but despite this conversation taking AN ENTIRE WEEK of you fumbling and staggering around, trying so desperately to find some way to make this true: it just isn't.
Pretty sure this is misleading the facts (otherwise you would’ve just named them).
15 times there’s been multiple All BIG players on the same team? Possibly.
15 times that both the PG and SG were? Highly unlikely. If it really is the case, I’d like to know them? Please.
I’ve never actually said it’s inarguable. I have said it’s very much a possibility (which is what you’re so vehemently upset about).
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Why are you continuing to frame this as a heated discussion? Calling me arrogant, saying I'm vehemently upset. I'm not, you're just wrong and I'm pointing it out and you can't handle it.
You can do the research too if you'd like, I made 100% sure every single one of the players was listed as a guard on the site I used (sports-reference.com)
I've mentioned the lack of team success, bad losses in which they didn't play well, etcetera. You refuse to even consider another POV, despite the vast amount of backing evidence presented throughout.
I'm done haggling over a statement you made over a week ago now that (1) wasn't true and (2) wasn't EVEN CLOSE to true.
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Look, this debate has gone on long enough. It's silly at this point. I've steered clear and am only now jumping in in the hopes that we can just end this thing (this is a hail mary play). This is what you said:
No "possibly." No "arguably." No qualifications at all.
You said what you said. It was a redonkulous claim. If you've backed off it, then fine.
Maybe it's time to take a beat and gear up for your next hot take.
PMABG has been on a historical (some might say elite) take heater this offseason. I bet we could get in at least 1-2 more before the season officially kicks off.
B10 Media day was Oct 9th last year, so we're potentially a month out from 2026 B10 Basketball Media day.
Any guesses on who we send? My gut says Drej and Mirk, but it seems like they could send Jake in Mirk's place so he's not getting bogged down with injury questions. That said, I think we'd get some really good content out of Mirk being there.
Any guesses on who we send? My gut says Drej and Mirk, but it seems like they could send Jake in Mirk's place so he's not getting bogged down with injury questions. That said, I think we'd get some really good content out of Mirk being there.
I did do the research. Since 2020, there's been 4 backcourts (not 15) who were both All BIG:
- BOYD / BLACKWELL
- DOMASK / SHANNON
- AUDIGE / BUIE
- PLUMMER / FRAZIER
My ranking would be:
1) Domask and Shannon
2) Boyd and Blackwell
3) Audige and Buie
4) Frazier and Plummer
I do think #2 is much closer to #1 than they are to 3 or 4.
Here's the All B10 teams by each year:
www.sports-reference.com
Men's All-Big Ten Conference Winners | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Men's All-Big Ten Conference Winners
www.sports-reference.com
You missed Akins/Richardson from just a season ago who went to an E8. I'm not going to walk back through every season again. But just to point out you're conveniently missing a ton of them.
This also only goes back to 2020.
You stated outright, verbatim: "Boyd & Blackwell was the best B1G backcourt in the last decade"
And as an Illinois fan you had Domask/TSJ staring right in your face from just a couple seasons ago, so no excuse for missing the most glaring example.
Additionally, you can't just keep changing criteria until you land on something you like (PPG, PORPAGATU, All Conf).
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Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
Nice try and appreciated, Juice. Unfortunately the B1G replay official just added one more post to the clock.
1. All-Conference selection (particularly as a yes/no proposition) is not a good way to judge this particular question. I think it's entirely possible that a backcourt that features a 1st team AA and a very good player who did not make All-Big Ten but maybe just missed out would be a better backcourt than a backcourt that had a 2nd and 3rd team All-Big Ten. In which case this criteria is useless.
Take for example the 2021 award season. Ayo was a consensus 1st team AA and Cousy Award winner, and Frazier was a All-Big Ten Honorable Mention, and selected to the All-Defensive team. Does that really not stack up against a 2nd team and 3rd team All-Conference selection?
2. If you are actually taking this criteria seriously, then your ranking is wrong. Boyd and Blackwell were 2nd and 3rd team selections. Therefore, they are far worse than Domask and Shannon, who were both 1st team All-Big Ten. They are also worse than Audige and Buie, who were both 2nd team selections. They are equal to Frazier and Plummer.
When talking about our opposing teams 3 point shooting against us, I feel there could be multiple reasons in our improvement. I feel our slower pace can sometimes force teams to fire up shots out of frustration. I also feel when our offense is working at a slower pace, it's forcing the other team to play defense for longer, which by the second half, can cause tired legs. Also it's probably not a coincidence that our tallest team had the best stats over the last few years defensively against the 3 point shooters.
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Also tyson walker and AJ hoggard
GEO baker and harper jr
Yes, Audige won B10 DPOY.
Meet college basketball's polarizing freshman class: First-year stars begin practicing with their new teams
This season's freshmen might not be as talented as the Class of 2025, but several players are already drawing attention
www.cbssports.com
"Meet college basketball's polarizing freshman class: First-year stars begin practicing with their new teams.
G Quentin Coleman, Illinois: Coleman is not expected to be an on-ball player at Illinois -- he's currently behind David Mirkovic, Stefan Vaaks and Andrej Stojakovic in the pecking order -- but Coleman is going to be an incredibly impactful role player. Coleman has no off switch. He plays hard relentlessly. Coleman is an excellent offensive rebounder, and he'll add some defensive disruption to an Illinois defense that usually doesn't create a ton of takeaways. He should be an extremely impactful cutter, slasher and spot-up shooter as well."
Wait, I know I recognize this from(obviously) one of our heartbreaking losses, but for the life of me I can't remember which exact one it's from. Help? Anybody?
Cliffmas
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- Los Angeles, CA
Yup. The infamous “hat dance.”
As it turns out, losing him was actually a good thing.
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Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
The guy who plays in Tibet, Guatemala, Fiji, or Lesotho. Can’t really remember which one.
The two girls immediately screaming “f^^^ you” at the screen always gets me.
