Illini Basketball

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Can anyone clarify the discussion about a "waiver" for Domask which was mentioned in the U-Conn - Illinois thread? I thought he was a 5th year senior and his eligibility expired after the Illini's exit from the NCAA Tournament. Thanks in advance for any clarification.
 
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Can anyone clarify the discussion about a "waiver" for Domask which was mentioned in the U-Conn - Illinois thread? I thought he was a 5th year senior and his eligibility expired after the Illini's exit from the NCAA Tournament. Thanks in advance for any clarification.
Medical waiver. Only played 10 games his sophomore year but the team as a whole played less games because of COVID so technically the % of games he played was to high to qualify for a medical waiver but they are trying.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Can anyone clarify the discussion about a "waiver" for Domask which was mentioned in the U-Conn - Illinois thread? I thought he was a 5th year senior and his eligibility expired after the Illini's exit from the NCAA Tournament. Thanks in advance for any clarification.
Domask suffered a season ending injury as a sophomore at SIU in the 2020-21 season, the one with empty arenas and the like due to Covid.

That season was played without the eligibility clock running, when it started no one could really predict how it would go from a Covid perspective, there were concerns players would opt out en masse, so the NCAA just made it a freebie for everybody, it was the easiest way to ensure the season happened and the money kept flowing.

What that means is that Domask didn't lose any eligibility that year he got hurt - no one did.

Tommy DeVito also suffered a season ending injury at Syracuse during the free eligibility Covid football season. His waiver to get a medical redshirt for it was denied. Cam Spencer at UConn missed nearly the entire season that year and just had a waiver denied a couple weeks ago. The NCAA has been consistent on this, there's no eligibility to be given back for that year because none was lost in the first place.

(Incidentally, I think Domask also played too many games? I had forgotten that was a shortened season, SIU only played 26 games and Domask played 10, that's 38% and 30% is the cutoff point for a medical redshirt I'm pretty sure)

According to our insiders UI and Domask have filed for a waiver, but they don't think it's likely and are recruiting planning for him to be gone (this was the football staff's attitude with DeVito too).

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take and god knows what the NCAA might do on any given day, but it's extremely unlikely Domask will be allowed to return and you're pretty much wasting your time focusing on it as we turn toward thinking about next year's roster.
 
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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
Medical waiver. Only played 10 games his sophomore year but the team as a whole played less games because of COVID so technically the % of games he played was to high to qualify for a medical waiver but they are trying.
Is the % of games played for the waiver 30%? I am losing track of all the rules. If that is the case, it is a significant uphill battle, as he played in 38% of SIU's games that season. Still worth the trying though. Illini are due for an unexpected break. Either way, the Illini are in great shape in the portal with BU in charge.

EDIT: I see ChiefGritty expounded more in the post before mine.
 
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Domask suffered a season ending injury as a sophomore at SIU in the 2020-21 season, the one with empty arenas and the like due to Covid.

That season was played without the eligibility clock running, when it started no one could really predict how it would go from a Covid perspective, there were concerns players would opt out en masse, so the NCAA just made it a freebie for everybody, it was the easiest way to ensure the season happened and the money kept flowing.

What that means is that Domask didn't lose any eligibility that year he got hurt - no one did.

Tommy DeVito also suffered a season ending injury at Syracuse during the free eligibility Covid football season. His waiver to get a medical redshirt for it was denied. Cam Spencer at UConn missed nearly the entire season that year and just had a waiver denied a couple weeks ago. The NCAA has been consistent on this, there's no eligibility to be given back for that year because none was lost in the first place.

(Incidentally, I think Domask also played too many games? I had forgotten that was a shortened season, SIU only played 26 games and Domask played 10, that's 38% and 30% is the cutoff point for a medical redshirt I'm pretty sure)

According to our insiders UI and Domask have filed for a waiver, but they don't think it's likely and are recruiting planning for him to be gone (this was the football staff's attitude with DeVito too).

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take and god knows what the NCAA might do on any given day, but it's extremely unlikely Domask will be allowed to return and you're pretty much wasting your time focusing on it as we turn toward thinking about next year's roster.
His dad also just took the head coaching job at Lomira. He wasn't coaching while Marcus was in college so he & the family could be at every game.

(Shows his family perspective on a possible waiver being granted)

But to Gritty's point, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
 
#12      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Man...when you step away from Saturdays awful feelings and look at our last 12 games....you really have to smile.

A very competitive loss to Purdue...and a fart and fall down loss to UConn.

One of those is going to be your Natty Champ.

Hell of a run. Can't wait 'til next year.
 
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Man...when you step away from Saturdays awful feelings and look at our last 12 games....you really have to smile.

A very competitive loss to Purdue...and a fart and fall down loss to UConn.

One of those is going to be your Natty Champ.

Hell of a run. Can't wait 'til next year.
I feel about as good as you can about a season and especially the season end as you said.

I think in a few years the shock of the 30-0 run will fade and people can look back and realize the specialness of this season.
 
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illini55

The Villages, FL
Man...when you step away from Saturdays awful feelings and look at our last 12 games....you really have to smile.

A very competitive loss to Purdue...and a fart and fall down loss to UConn.

One of those is going to be your Natty Champ.

Hell of a run. Can't wait 'til next year.
I'm not sure Purdue will get past NC State. The post battle between the two behemoth centers (in different ways...) will be elite.
 
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I'm not sure Purdue will get past NC State. The post battle between the two behemoth centers (in different ways...) will be elite.
NC State will need all of its 15 big-man fouls against Edey. The refs protect him at all costs. Gonna need big games from all of them (Burns, Diarra, and Middlebrooks).
 
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Domask suffered a season ending injury as a sophomore at SIU in the 2020-21 season, the one with empty arenas and the like due to Covid.

That season was played without the eligibility clock running, when it started no one could really predict how it would go from a Covid perspective, there were concerns players would opt out en masse, so the NCAA just made it a freebie for everybody, it was the easiest way to ensure the season happened and the money kept flowing.

What that means is that Domask didn't lose any eligibility that year he got hurt - no one did.

Tommy DeVito also suffered a season ending injury at Syracuse during the free eligibility Covid football season. His waiver to get a medical redshirt for it was denied. Cam Spencer at UConn missed nearly the entire season that year and just had a waiver denied a couple weeks ago. The NCAA has been consistent on this, there's no eligibility to be given back for that year because none was lost in the first place.

(Incidentally, I think Domask also played too many games? I had forgotten that was a shortened season, SIU only played 26 games and Domask played 10, that's 38% and 30% is the cutoff point for a medical redshirt I'm pretty sure)

According to our insiders UI and Domask have filed for a waiver, but they don't think it's likely and are recruiting planning for him to be gone (this was the football staff's attitude with DeVito too).

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take and god knows what the NCAA might do on any given day, but it's extremely unlikely Domask will be allowed to return and you're pretty much wasting your time focusing on it as we turn toward thinking about next year's roster.
The financial implications of this decision for Marcus by the NCAA is wild to think about.
 
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The financial implications of this decision for Marcus by the NCAA is wild to think about.
If you squint you can see some logic in the waiver. It is about fairness. Say you have two kids who start playing the same year. One gets hurt in 2020-21 and one in 2021-22. They have each played the same number of years, but one gets a medical waiver to play another and one doesn't.
 
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I think Purdue will win by ~10 and I think UConn will have another game that isn't terribly close. It's Clingan vs. Edey that I want to see.
Most people want to see the Clingan vs Edey matchup...ncaa and officials know this...will not help TV ratings if this matchup doesn't happen...I fully expect the title game to be UConn vs Purdue.
the expanse holden GIF by SYFY
 
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Just want to remember that once again this past year's team is in some elite company in program history, and I (along with MANY Illini fans, I am sure!) am very proud of them. Using 1980 as a somewhat "modern era" cutoff, these are the Illini teams to do the following ... just some fun metrics I would consider to be in at least some way "memorable" or whatever. This year's team in orange:

BIG TEN CHAMPIONS (REGULAR SEASON)
1984
1998
2001
2002
2004 (outright)
2005 (outright)
2022

BIG TEN TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS
2003
2005
2021
2024

FINAL FOUR
1989
2005

ELITE EIGHT
1984
1989
2001
2005
2024

SWEET SIXTEEN

1981
1984
1985
1989
2001
2002
2004
2005
2024

30-WIN SEASON

1989
2005

27+-WIN SEASON
1989
2001
2005
2024

25+-WIN SEASON

1984
1985
1989
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2024

AP TOP 10 FINISH

1984
1989
2001
2005
2021
2024

ALL AMERICAN

1983
1984
1987
1988 (x2)
1989 (x2)
1990
1994
2001 (x2)
2002
2003
2004
2005 (x3)
2006
2021 (x2)
2022
2024

2+ ALL-BIG FIRST TEAM SELECTIONS

2005
2021
2024

#1 SEED

1989
2001
2005
2021

TOP 3 SEED
1984
1985
1987
1988
1989
2001
2005
2021
2024

TOP 4 SEED

1981
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2021
2022
2024

So, of the 14 relatively arbitrary categories I chose, these were the teams that showed up in at least half (7) of them. Obviously, it's somewhat apples to oranges (e.g., the Flyin' Illini had no BTT to win), but at the same time, these are all cool things to have happen as a fan ... so the more the merrier, and credit to the teams that accomplish what they are able to!

2005: 14
1989: 11
2024: 10
2001: 10
1984: 8
2021: 7

TL;DR

We just watched a special group that added to the storied tradition of this program SIGNIFICANTLY.
 
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danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
3rd elite eight of my lifetime is pretty cool, I hadn't realized that was so rare. It doesn't feel like a "tier" accomplishment in the same way as a Sweet Sixteen or Final Four--I guess because we only get to enjoy it for one full day before the loss--but in the grand scheme, it's a noticeably bigger accomplishment than a Sweet Sixteen for sure!
 
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3rd elite eight of my lifetime is pretty cool, I hadn't realized that was so rare. It doesn't feel like a "tier" accomplishment in the same way as a Sweet Sixteen or Final Four--I guess because we only get to enjoy it for one full day before the loss--but in the grand scheme, it's a noticeably bigger accomplishment than a Sweet Sixteen for sure!
Funny enough, I grew up feeling the opposite about an Elite Eight vs. a Sweet Sixteen. These were the first six years I could remember as a fan (yes, I was spoiled!!).

2001: #1 seed, made Elite Eight (also Big Ten champs)
2002: #4 seed, made Sweet Sixteen (also Big Ten champs)
2003: #4 seed, made Second Round (also BTT champs)
2004: #5 seed, made Sweet Sixteen (also Big Ten champs)
2005: #1 seed, made National Championship (also Big Ten champs and BTT champs)
2006: #4 seed, made Second Round

So other than missing out on another Big Ten championship by ONE game in 2006, my fondness for our 2006 team kind of meshes together with the 2002, 2003 or 2004 teams (although 2004 stands out as starting to see the potential for what 2005 could be), with 2001 and 2005 being the "special" years. In other words, we were winning SOME type of Big Ten championship every single year, so our Sweet Sixteen appearances didn't really stand out as something overly special to me at the time. Maybe it was because I was young, but I never REALLY put this type of emphasis we see today on "making the Second Weekend" or whatever. I get it, to be sure, but I actually kind of associated a Second Round loss and a Sweet Sixteen loss in the same "tier," and then I thought of an Elite Eight as a truly great season and a Final Four as TRULY special (possibly once in a lifetime just due to how much luck is required in the NCAA Tournament).

Needless to say, watching Big Ten champion and #1 seeds go down in the Second Round twice during our Underwood Renaissance really changed my tune on this one ... and making the "Second Weekend" was the ultimate goal for this season for me.
 
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danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
Funny enough, I grew up feeling the opposite about an Elite Eight vs. a Sweet Sixteen. These were the first six years I could remember as a fan (yes, I was spoiled!!).

2001: #1 seed, made Elite Eight (also Big Ten champs)
2002: #4 seed, made Sweet Sixteen (also Big Ten champs)
2003: #4 seed, made Second Round (also BTT champs)
2004: #5 seed, made Sweet Sixteen (also Big Ten champs)
2005: #1 seed, made National Championship (also Big Ten champs and BTT champs)
2006: #4 seed, made Second Round

So other than missing out on another Big Ten championship by ONE game in 2006, my fondness for our 2006 team kind of meshes together with the 2002, 2003 or 2004 teams (although 2004 stands out as starting to see the potential for what 2005 could be), with 2001 and 2005 being the "special" years. In other words, we were winning SOME type of Big Ten championship every single year, so our Sweet Sixteen appearances didn't really stand out as something overly special to me at the time. Maybe it was because I was young, but I never REALLY put this type of emphasis we see today on "making the Second Weekend" or whatever. I get it, to be sure, but I actually kind of associated a Second Round loss and a Sweet Sixteen loss in the same "tier," and then I thought of an Elite Eight as a truly great season and a Final Four as TRULY special (possibly once in a lifetime just due to how much luck is required in the NCAA Tournament).

Needless to say, watching Big Ten champion and #1 seeds go down in the Second Round twice during our Underwood Renaissance really changed my tune on this one ... and making the "Second Weekend" was the ultimate goal for this season for me.

Makes a lot of sense with those formative years! I was starting to remember those season as well (I'm 33 now, so I would have been 10 in the 2001 tournament), and now that you mention it, I do remember 2001 feeling especially noteworthy versus 2002-04. I couldn't have told you that 2002/04 were Sweet Sixteen and 2003 was not, for sure. I guess I must have associated 2001 more with being a #1 seed, as opposed to the E8 finish? And totally agree that the Final Four years stand head and shoulders above all--even the one where I wasn't born yet!