Illini @ Duke Sat Sept. 6 - Road Trip Thread

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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
Thought I'd begin a thread for this road game. Visitor-side tickets are abundant via the Duke athletics Web site and (compared with most power conference games) fairly cheap:


Just bought our tickets this morning (dead-on 50 yard line in Section 7 for $62 each) and can't wait to drive over from DC.

Visitors are apparently in Sections 3-7 on the east side of the stadium (which is the visitors sideline) per @GatorMcKlusky 's post on Thursday:


See also @MDchicago 's post on Friday:


Hope to see a sea of orange there!

:illinois: 🏈:alma-mater::ms:
 
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It's a bit far for us anyway and we have a family wedding that weekend, but I hope a decent Illini contingent shows up! Per this link, U of I alumni in North Carolina are limited to only about 6k or so. However, there are another 9k in Virginia and South Carolina, so maybe we'll get a material number of them wanting to see the Illini in person over in that neck of the woods!

P.S. Looking at that distribution of alumni by state, it kind of helps explain what I consider to be the annoying lack of "Illini Bars" across the country compared to other schools ... and I think it's because Illinois has to have one of the most concentrated alumni bases in its own state. I feel like schools like Iowa or Indiana are way more spread out across the country, but the drop-off after Illinois is kind of crazy:

UIUC Only
1. Illinois - 253,264
2. California - 33,151
3. Texas - 14,498
4. Florida - 13,788
5. Wisconsin - 9,309

U of I System
1. Illinois - 457,726
2. California - 44,925
3. Florida - 21,174
4. Texas - 20,548
5. Wisconsin - 13,945

For reference, Iowa's #1 state for alumni is Iowa, with 110,269, and Illinois is #2 with 40,498.
 
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It's a bit far for us anyway and we have a family wedding that weekend, but I hope a decent Illini contingent shows up! Per this link, U of I alumni in North Carolina are limited to only about 6k or so. However, there are another 9k in Virginia and South Carolina, so maybe we'll get a material number of them wanting to see the Illini in person over in that neck of the woods!

P.S. Looking at that distribution of alumni by state, it kind of helps explain what I consider to be the annoying lack of "Illini Bars" across the country compared to other schools ... and I think it's because Illinois has to have one of the most concentrated alumni bases in its own state. I feel like schools like Iowa or Indiana are way more spread out across the country, but the drop-off after Illinois is kind of crazy:

UIUC Only
1. Illinois - 253,264
2. California - 33,151
3. Texas - 14,498
4. Florida - 13,788
5. Wisconsin - 9,309

U of I System
1. Illinois - 457,726
2. California - 44,925
3. Florida - 21,174
4. Texas - 20,548
5. Wisconsin - 13,945

For reference, Iowa's #1 state for alumni is Iowa, with 110,269, and Illinois is #2 with 40,498.
Purdue, too (dispersed). Until relatively recently Illinois had a tiny share of students from out of state (3% IIRC when I was there in the '80s.) Plus Chicago was an attractive destination for grads. I'd be interested to see the geographic distribution of Illinois grads since ~ 2005.

TBF, after graduating from Iowa, Chicago is slightly more attractive and opportunity-filled to a 22-year-old than Des Moines or Cedar Rapids!

I'm confident we'll have a decent showing at Duke. The DMV region around DC has a fair number, and it's not an onerous drive from NJ, PA, or NY.

The Duke game at MSG in February showed how many Illinois fans live within a reasonable trek to NYC. We filled half the arena. Plus, like the BB team, our football program is hot, which is a welcome change from "hot mess."
 
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I’ve asked two of my friends who are SEC guys to trek over w me to Durham for the game. Maybe make it an annual thing for us with each of us getting a crack at a game we want to attend for the year. Would be coming from atlanta.
 
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I feel confident about this game. We showed last year we can be pretty darn good on the road, and Duke is good, but not South Carolina good.
 
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Do it. Doooo it. 😵‍💫

Do It Conan Obrien GIF by Team Coco
 
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I'm planning a trip to visit a friend in Asheville that week. He's also an Illinois alum and big fan. We'll drive over to the game early Saturday with a six-pack or two, hoping to parlay that into an invitation to eat Carolina barbeque at a tailgate, or least to banter with Duke fans.
 
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I am starting to appreciate that this game will be M-A-S-S-I-V-E for this program on a number of levels. The obvious reason is that it is our first test, and it could REALLY get the hype train taking off if we come away with a solid road win on national TV, and thus it would also sort of take the wind out of our sails if we fail our first real test in Week 2. But more than that...

This is the exact type of game Illinois loses - a non-conference road game that has the ability to set the tone for the rest of the season. We have seen the movie SO many times where we get excited for an early season non-conference test, and our cautiously optimistic hopes for Illinois football are crushed or at least severely tempered. For a trip down memory lane, this is our non-conference road record over the last 30 years vs. Power Five, including neutral site matchups in St. Louis and Chicago (as they have the same type of dynamic/effect).

1994: Washington State 10, #22 Illinois 9 in Chicago, IL (Week 1). While this didn't kill the season (we finished 7-5 and won a bowl game), it kicked things off in a disappointing fashion.
1995: #24 Oregon 34, Illinois 31 in Eugene, OR (Week 2). We lost our preseason ranking the week before after a blowout loss at home to Michigan, and this team would limp to a 5-5-1 finish and no bowl.
1996: Arizona 41, Illinois 0 in Tucson, AZ (Week 3). While this one must have been REALLY bad to watch, this team had lost 55-3 at home the previous week, too. Other than beating Akron and Indiana (in 2OT, lol) at home, we would lose every game from there on out.
1998: Washington State 20, Illinois 13 in Pullman, WA (Week 1). Finished the season 3-8.
2001: Illinois 44, Cal 17 in Berkeley, CA (Week 1). An impressive win that set the tone for this season, with our team only losing one more game all year before the Sugar Bowl.
2002: Missouri 33, Illinois 20 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). This is one of the first Illini football games I remember watching with my grandpa. After the hype of the 2001 season, starting off with a loss on the way to missing a bowl sucked.
2003: Missouri 22, Illinois 15 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Commence, 1-11 season, lol.
2003: UCLA 6, Illinois 3 in Pasadena, CA (Week 3). If there was any optimism after the tough Mizzou loss, this probably finished it off!
2005: #15 Cal 35, Illinois 20 in Berkeley, CA (Week 3). I remember people being really excited that we beat Rutgers in OT in Week 1, which was Zook's first game. After a blowout win in Week 2, I imagine fans were at least cautiously optimistic?? However, the Cal loss would kick off a 9-game losing streak to end the year.
2006: Rutgers 33, Illinois 0 in Piscataway, NJ (Week 2). Yikes, I remember this one vividly, haha.
2007: Missouri 40, Illinois 34 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Another Mizzou loss to start the season, but I actually think this one might have kick-started this successful Rose Bowl campaign and might have lit a fire, so to speak.
2007: Illinois 41, Syracuse 20 in Syracuse, NY (Week 3). I can't speak for everyone, but this is when I really started to wonder if the 2007 squad could be good ... they removed all doubt by carrying this momentum forward to beat #21 Penn State and #5 Wisconsin in the coming weeks.
2008: #6 Missouri 52, #20 Illinois 42 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). No shame in losing to this Mizzou squad, but it did seem to somewhat throw us off. This team could just never find a groove and would end up missing a bowl (absolutely unacceptable given the talent we had) in a critically important season for our program.
2009: Missouri 37, Illinois 9 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Talk about setting the tone ... I remember people being really hyped for 2009 to be a bit of a rebound campaign, and instead it completely solidified any doubts people were starting to have about Zook.
2009: #5 Cincinnati 49, Illinois 36 in Cincinnati, OH (Week 14). We were finished by this point, but it makes the list nonetheless.
2010: Missouri 23, Illinois 13 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Even as a supporter of this rivalry always being in St. Louis if possible ... yeah, his once again just sucked starting the season off immediately on the wrong foot.
2012: Arizona State 45, Illinois 14 in Tempe, AZ (Week 2). IT didn't take long to have doubts about the Beckman Era, getting blown out in his second game. These doubts would be solidified in Week 4 when a blowout home loss to Louisiana Tech kick-started a 9-game losing streak to end the year, lol.
2013: #19 Washington 34, Illinois 24 in Chicago, IL (Week 3). I have no complaints about scheduling the game or having it at Soldier Field, but this is just another example of us failing an early season test like this.
2014: Washington 44, Illinois 19 in Seattle, WA (Week 3). In a make-or-break season for Beckman, our 2-0 Illini showed their true colors in our first real test.
2015: North Carolina 48, Illinois 14 in Chapel Hill, NC (Week 3). I honestly sometimes get this route and the loss at Virginia (stay tuned!!) confused, as they felt so similar, haha.
2021: Virginia 42, Illinois 14 in Charlottesville, VA (Week 3). Wait, it's because they WERE extremely similar! :ROFLMAO: Seriously, though, this one was such a downer. We kicked off Bret's era here by knocking off Nebraska, and everyone was so pumped. It sucked to then follow that up with a stinker of a loss at home to UTSA in Week 2 and then this blowout.
2023: Kansas 34, Illinois 23 in Lawrence, KS (Week 2). Another classic example of a "big early test" in an important season for the program, and we failed. If last year hadn't been such an awesome season for us, 2023 very well could have been another 2008 campaign as far as it affected our trajectory.

So ... we are 2-20 in these big early season non-conference tests. It might be unreasonable to expect to have a winning record vs. Power Five opponents away from home, but that is remarkably bad. And, as shown above, many of these early season results helped set the tone for the rest of our season - most times negatively, but sometimes positively like in 2001 and 2007. The bottom line is that this game at Duke is one we should win if we have aspirations of being a 2001- or 2007-type team, and it's a game we will not win if we are pretenders. Would a loss totally derail our season? No, of course not; Duke is a solid team, and it is only Week 2. However, it would be a huge statement and would help ease our fans' collective psyche if we could pass this early season test ... because we have watched ourselves fail it WAY too many times before!
 
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I am starting to appreciate that this game will be M-A-S-S-I-V-E for this program on a number of levels. The obvious reason is that it is our first test, and it could REALLY get the hype train taking off if we come away with a solid road win on national TV, and thus it would also sort of take the wind out of our sails if we fail our first real test in Week 2. But more than that...

This is the exact type of game Illinois loses - a non-conference road game that has the ability to set the tone for the rest of the season. We have seen the movie SO many times where we get excited for an early season non-conference test, and our cautiously optimistic hopes for Illinois football are crushed or at least severely tempered. For a trip down memory lane, this is our non-conference road record over the last 30 years vs. Power Five, including neutral site matchups in St. Louis and Chicago (as they have the same type of dynamic/effect).

1994: Washington State 10, #22 Illinois 9 in Chicago, IL (Week 1). While this didn't kill the season (we finished 7-5 and won a bowl game), it kicked things off in a disappointing fashion.
1995: #24 Oregon 34, Illinois 31 in Eugene, OR (Week 2). We lost our preseason ranking the week before after a blowout loss at home to Michigan, and this team would limp to a 5-5-1 finish and no bowl.
1996: Arizona 41, Illinois 0 in Tucson, AZ (Week 3). While this one must have been REALLY bad to watch, this team had lost 55-3 at home the previous week, too. Other than beating Akron and Indiana (in 2OT, lol) at home, we would lose every game from there on out.
1998: Washington State 20, Illinois 13 in Pullman, WA (Week 1). Finished the season 3-8.
2001: Illinois 44, Cal 17 in Berkeley, CA (Week 1). An impressive win that set the tone for this season, with our team only losing one more game all year before the Sugar Bowl.
2002: Missouri 33, Illinois 20 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). This is one of the first Illini football games I remember watching with my grandpa. After the hype of the 2001 season, starting off with a loss on the way to missing a bowl sucked.
2003: Missouri 22, Illinois 15 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Commence, 1-11 season, lol.
2003: UCLA 6, Illinois 3 in Pasadena, CA (Week 3). If there was any optimism after the tough Mizzou loss, this probably finished it off!
2005: #15 Cal 35, Illinois 20 in Berkeley, CA (Week 3). I remember people being really excited that we beat Rutgers in OT in Week 1, which was Zook's first game. After a blowout win in Week 2, I imagine fans were at least cautiously optimistic?? However, the Cal loss would kick off a 9-game losing streak to end the year.
2006: Rutgers 33, Illinois 0 in Piscataway, NJ (Week 2). Yikes, I remember this one vividly, haha.
2007: Missouri 40, Illinois 34 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Another Mizzou loss to start the season, but I actually think this one might have kick-started this successful Rose Bowl campaign and might have lit a fire, so to speak.
2007: Illinois 41, Syracuse 20 in Syracuse, NY (Week 3). I can't speak for everyone, but this is when I really started to wonder if the 2007 squad could be good ... they removed all doubt by carrying this momentum forward to beat #21 Penn State and #5 Wisconsin in the coming weeks.
2008: #6 Missouri 52, #20 Illinois 42 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). No shame in losing to this Mizzou squad, but it did seem to somewhat throw us off. This team could just never find a groove and would end up missing a bowl (absolutely unacceptable given the talent we had) in a critically important season for our program.
2009: Missouri 37, Illinois 9 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Talk about setting the tone ... I remember people being really hyped for 2009 to be a bit of a rebound campaign, and instead it completely solidified any doubts people were starting to have about Zook.
2009: #5 Cincinnati 49, Illinois 36 in Cincinnati, OH (Week 14). We were finished by this point, but it makes the list nonetheless.
2010: Missouri 23, Illinois 13 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Even as a supporter of this rivalry always being in St. Louis if possible ... yeah, his once again just sucked starting the season off immediately on the wrong foot.
2012: Arizona State 45, Illinois 14 in Tempe, AZ (Week 2). IT didn't take long to have doubts about the Beckman Era, getting blown out in his second game. These doubts would be solidified in Week 4 when a blowout home loss to Louisiana Tech kick-started a 9-game losing streak to end the year, lol.
2013: #19 Washington 34, Illinois 24 in Chicago, IL (Week 3). I have no complaints about scheduling the game or having it at Soldier Field, but this is just another example of us failing an early season test like this.
2014: Washington 44, Illinois 19 in Seattle, WA (Week 3). In a make-or-break season for Beckman, our 2-0 Illini showed their true colors in our first real test.
2015: North Carolina 48, Illinois 14 in Chapel Hill, NC (Week 3). I honestly sometimes get this route and the loss at Virginia (stay tuned!!) confused, as they felt so similar, haha.
2021: Virginia 42, Illinois 14 in Charlottesville, VA (Week 3). Wait, it's because they WERE extremely similar! :ROFLMAO: Seriously, though, this one was such a downer. We kicked off Bret's era here by knocking off Nebraska, and everyone was so pumped. It sucked to then follow that up with a stinker of a loss at home to UTSA in Week 2 and then this blowout.
2023: Kansas 34, Illinois 23 in Lawrence, KS (Week 2). Another classic example of a "big early test" in an important season for the program, and we failed. If last year hadn't been such an awesome season for us, 2023 very well could have been another 2008 campaign as far as it affected our trajectory.

So ... we are 2-20 in these big early season non-conference tests. It might be unreasonable to expect to have a winning record vs. Power Five opponents away from home, but that is remarkably bad. And, as shown above, many of these early season results helped set the tone for the rest of our season - most times negatively, but sometimes positively like in 2001 and 2007. The bottom line is that this game at Duke is one we should win if we have aspirations of being a 2001- or 2007-type team, and it's a game we will not win if we are pretenders. Would a loss totally derail our season? No, of course not; Duke is a solid team, and it is only Week 2. However, it would be a huge statement and would help ease our fans' collective psyche if we could pass this early season test ... because we have watched ourselves fail it WAY too many times before!
Guenther was a complete idiot for scheduling these non conference games. Meanwhile, Wisconsin scheduled patsy after patsy to build the foundation of the football program. Just like IU did last year.
 
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I am starting to appreciate that this game will be M-A-S-S-I-V-E for this program on a number of levels. The obvious reason is that it is our first test, and it could REALLY get the hype train taking off if we come away with a solid road win on national TV, and thus it would also sort of take the wind out of our sails if we fail our first real test in Week 2. But more than that...

This is the exact type of game Illinois loses - a non-conference road game that has the ability to set the tone for the rest of the season. We have seen the movie SO many times where we get excited for an early season non-conference test, and our cautiously optimistic hopes for Illinois football are crushed or at least severely tempered. For a trip down memory lane, this is our non-conference road record over the last 30 years vs. Power Five, including neutral site matchups in St. Louis and Chicago (as they have the same type of dynamic/effect).

1994: Washington State 10, #22 Illinois 9 in Chicago, IL (Week 1). While this didn't kill the season (we finished 7-5 and won a bowl game), it kicked things off in a disappointing fashion.
1995: #24 Oregon 34, Illinois 31 in Eugene, OR (Week 2). We lost our preseason ranking the week before after a blowout loss at home to Michigan, and this team would limp to a 5-5-1 finish and no bowl.
1996: Arizona 41, Illinois 0 in Tucson, AZ (Week 3). While this one must have been REALLY bad to watch, this team had lost 55-3 at home the previous week, too. Other than beating Akron and Indiana (in 2OT, lol) at home, we would lose every game from there on out.
1998: Washington State 20, Illinois 13 in Pullman, WA (Week 1). Finished the season 3-8.
2001: Illinois 44, Cal 17 in Berkeley, CA (Week 1). An impressive win that set the tone for this season, with our team only losing one more game all year before the Sugar Bowl.
2002: Missouri 33, Illinois 20 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). This is one of the first Illini football games I remember watching with my grandpa. After the hype of the 2001 season, starting off with a loss on the way to missing a bowl sucked.
2003: Missouri 22, Illinois 15 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Commence, 1-11 season, lol.
2003: UCLA 6, Illinois 3 in Pasadena, CA (Week 3). If there was any optimism after the tough Mizzou loss, this probably finished it off!
2005: #15 Cal 35, Illinois 20 in Berkeley, CA (Week 3). I remember people being really excited that we beat Rutgers in OT in Week 1, which was Zook's first game. After a blowout win in Week 2, I imagine fans were at least cautiously optimistic?? However, the Cal loss would kick off a 9-game losing streak to end the year.
2006: Rutgers 33, Illinois 0 in Piscataway, NJ (Week 2). Yikes, I remember this one vividly, haha.
2007: Missouri 40, Illinois 34 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Another Mizzou loss to start the season, but I actually think this one might have kick-started this successful Rose Bowl campaign and might have lit a fire, so to speak.
2007: Illinois 41, Syracuse 20 in Syracuse, NY (Week 3). I can't speak for everyone, but this is when I really started to wonder if the 2007 squad could be good ... they removed all doubt by carrying this momentum forward to beat #21 Penn State and #5 Wisconsin in the coming weeks.
2008: #6 Missouri 52, #20 Illinois 42 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). No shame in losing to this Mizzou squad, but it did seem to somewhat throw us off. This team could just never find a groove and would end up missing a bowl (absolutely unacceptable given the talent we had) in a critically important season for our program.
2009: Missouri 37, Illinois 9 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Talk about setting the tone ... I remember people being really hyped for 2009 to be a bit of a rebound campaign, and instead it completely solidified any doubts people were starting to have about Zook.
2009: #5 Cincinnati 49, Illinois 36 in Cincinnati, OH (Week 14). We were finished by this point, but it makes the list nonetheless.
2010: Missouri 23, Illinois 13 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Even as a supporter of this rivalry always being in St. Louis if possible ... yeah, his once again just sucked starting the season off immediately on the wrong foot.
2012: Arizona State 45, Illinois 14 in Tempe, AZ (Week 2). IT didn't take long to have doubts about the Beckman Era, getting blown out in his second game. These doubts would be solidified in Week 4 when a blowout home loss to Louisiana Tech kick-started a 9-game losing streak to end the year, lol.
2013: #19 Washington 34, Illinois 24 in Chicago, IL (Week 3). I have no complaints about scheduling the game or having it at Soldier Field, but this is just another example of us failing an early season test like this.
2014: Washington 44, Illinois 19 in Seattle, WA (Week 3). In a make-or-break season for Beckman, our 2-0 Illini showed their true colors in our first real test.
2015: North Carolina 48, Illinois 14 in Chapel Hill, NC (Week 3). I honestly sometimes get this route and the loss at Virginia (stay tuned!!) confused, as they felt so similar, haha.
2021: Virginia 42, Illinois 14 in Charlottesville, VA (Week 3). Wait, it's because they WERE extremely similar! :ROFLMAO: Seriously, though, this one was such a downer. We kicked off Bret's era here by knocking off Nebraska, and everyone was so pumped. It sucked to then follow that up with a stinker of a loss at home to UTSA in Week 2 and then this blowout.
2023: Kansas 34, Illinois 23 in Lawrence, KS (Week 2). Another classic example of a "big early test" in an important season for the program, and we failed. If last year hadn't been such an awesome season for us, 2023 very well could have been another 2008 campaign as far as it affected our trajectory.

So ... we are 2-20 in these big early season non-conference tests. It might be unreasonable to expect to have a winning record vs. Power Five opponents away from home, but that is remarkably bad. And, as shown above, many of these early season results helped set the tone for the rest of our season - most times negatively, but sometimes positively like in 2001 and 2007. The bottom line is that this game at Duke is one we should win if we have aspirations of being a 2001- or 2007-type team, and it's a game we will not win if we are pretenders. Would a loss totally derail our season? No, of course not; Duke is a solid team, and it is only Week 2. However, it would be a huge statement and would help ease our fans' collective psyche if we could pass this early season test ... because we have watched ourselves fail it WAY too many times before!
I'll a couple data points from the end of my student era:

1989: Ranked #22 preseason, notched a massive 14-13 comeback victory in the 4th quarter in the LA Coliseum v. #5 USC (the relocated Glasnost Bowl scheduled for Moscow). We got pummeled in Boulder the following week on national TV by the #8 Buffs but that USC game set the stage for a huge 10-2 season where we finished one game behind Michigan. Finished #10 nationally.

1990: Ranked #11 preseason we laid an egg 16-28 at unranked Arizona (I was in Phoenix that night in Sun Devil Stadium watching ASU v. Baylor). Recovered the following weekend in Champaign with revenge over #9 Colorado 23-22 (and wouldn't ya' know it... I was in Boulder that day wearing my Champion reverse-weave ILLINOIS sweatshirt proudly and obnoxiously.) Ended up 8-4 in a four-way BT first-place tie though, having lost to Iowa and Michigan, were really in third place. Finished #25 nationally.

An opening-game road loss isn't the end of the world but it ain't great. It's irrelevant however: we're gonna beat Duke. :illinois:🏈
 
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and Northwestern too
It's interesting, however, that when Gary Barnett dragged Northwestern out of the cellar 1991-4 he decidedly did not schedule patsies in September. In fact, he didn't do so until 1995 when they played Miami (OH) and Air Force after opening v. ND, and then went on to run the table in the BT. And the funny thing is that their only regular season loss was v. Miami (OH) at home a week after (unranked) beating #9 ND in South Bend in the opener. Go figure. Big-win hangover, I guess.
 
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And why did we schedule Washington home-and-away? Because Guenther wanted to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1963 Rose Bowl. What a moran.
Yeah, RG's scheduling was a mystery. As stated previously, I was a huge apologist for the Mizzou series in St. Louis ... as a young fan, I felt cool around my Iowa friends when they would play some patsy on Labor Day Weekend while we would play a rivalry game vs. Mizzou on national TV with a cool neutral site setup. However, looking back, there were three huge issues about that series for me:

1. We just were not ready as a program to take on that type of non-conference game every single year. As others have said ... we needed cupcake schedules to stack wins.
2. On a related note, the timing of it being the VERY first game every year was a disaster. That game should have been a shoe-in for Week 2 or Week 3, allowing both teams to get a warmup home opener vs. a smaller school.
3. The setting of the dome was just less than ideal. Football on Labor Day Weekend should 110% be played outside. I understand fans rolling their eyes at football games being played in baseball stadiums, but if that game ever returned to St. Louis ... it should definitely be at Busch Stadium.

The quintessential RG schedule screwup for me will always be playing Western Michigan in Detroit in November, though. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Yeah, RG's scheduling was a mystery. As stated previously, I was a huge apologist for the Mizzou series in St. Louis ... as a young fan, I felt cool around my Iowa friends when they would play some patsy on Labor Day Weekend while we would play a rivalry game vs. Mizzou on national TV with a cool neutral site setup. However, looking back, there were three huge issues about that series for me:

1. We just were not ready as a program to take on that type of non-conference game every single year. As others have said ... we needed cupcake schedules to stack wins.
2. On a related note, the timing of it being the VERY first game every year was a disaster. That game should have been a shoe-in for Week 2 or Week 3, allowing both teams to get a warmup home opener vs. a smaller school.
3. The setting of the dome was just less than ideal. Football on Labor Day Weekend should 110% be played outside. I understand fans rolling their eyes at football games being played in baseball stadiums, but if that game ever returned to St. Louis ... it should definitely be at Busch Stadium.

The quintessential RG schedule screwup for me will always be playing Western Michigan in Detroit in November, though. :ROFLMAO:
I was heading to a wedding reception during that game. Talk about a mood killer.
 
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I am starting to appreciate that this game will be M-A-S-S-I-V-E for this program on a number of levels. The obvious reason is that it is our first test, and it could REALLY get the hype train taking off if we come away with a solid road win on national TV, and thus it would also sort of take the wind out of our sails if we fail our first real test in Week 2. But more than that...

This is the exact type of game Illinois loses - a non-conference road game that has the ability to set the tone for the rest of the season. We have seen the movie SO many times where we get excited for an early season non-conference test, and our cautiously optimistic hopes for Illinois football are crushed or at least severely tempered. For a trip down memory lane, this is our non-conference road record over the last 30 years vs. Power Five, including neutral site matchups in St. Louis and Chicago (as they have the same type of dynamic/effect).

1994: Washington State 10, #22 Illinois 9 in Chicago, IL (Week 1). While this didn't kill the season (we finished 7-5 and won a bowl game), it kicked things off in a disappointing fashion.
1995: #24 Oregon 34, Illinois 31 in Eugene, OR (Week 2). We lost our preseason ranking the week before after a blowout loss at home to Michigan, and this team would limp to a 5-5-1 finish and no bowl.
1996: Arizona 41, Illinois 0 in Tucson, AZ (Week 3). While this one must have been REALLY bad to watch, this team had lost 55-3 at home the previous week, too. Other than beating Akron and Indiana (in 2OT, lol) at home, we would lose every game from there on out.
1998: Washington State 20, Illinois 13 in Pullman, WA (Week 1). Finished the season 3-8.
2001: Illinois 44, Cal 17 in Berkeley, CA (Week 1). An impressive win that set the tone for this season, with our team only losing one more game all year before the Sugar Bowl.
2002: Missouri 33, Illinois 20 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). This is one of the first Illini football games I remember watching with my grandpa. After the hype of the 2001 season, starting off with a loss on the way to missing a bowl sucked.
2003: Missouri 22, Illinois 15 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Commence, 1-11 season, lol.
2003: UCLA 6, Illinois 3 in Pasadena, CA (Week 3). If there was any optimism after the tough Mizzou loss, this probably finished it off!
2005: #15 Cal 35, Illinois 20 in Berkeley, CA (Week 3). I remember people being really excited that we beat Rutgers in OT in Week 1, which was Zook's first game. After a blowout win in Week 2, I imagine fans were at least cautiously optimistic?? However, the Cal loss would kick off a 9-game losing streak to end the year.
2006: Rutgers 33, Illinois 0 in Piscataway, NJ (Week 2). Yikes, I remember this one vividly, haha.
2007: Missouri 40, Illinois 34 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Another Mizzou loss to start the season, but I actually think this one might have kick-started this successful Rose Bowl campaign and might have lit a fire, so to speak.
2007: Illinois 41, Syracuse 20 in Syracuse, NY (Week 3). I can't speak for everyone, but this is when I really started to wonder if the 2007 squad could be good ... they removed all doubt by carrying this momentum forward to beat #21 Penn State and #5 Wisconsin in the coming weeks.
2008: #6 Missouri 52, #20 Illinois 42 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). No shame in losing to this Mizzou squad, but it did seem to somewhat throw us off. This team could just never find a groove and would end up missing a bowl (absolutely unacceptable given the talent we had) in a critically important season for our program.
2009: Missouri 37, Illinois 9 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Talk about setting the tone ... I remember people being really hyped for 2009 to be a bit of a rebound campaign, and instead it completely solidified any doubts people were starting to have about Zook.
2009: #5 Cincinnati 49, Illinois 36 in Cincinnati, OH (Week 14). We were finished by this point, but it makes the list nonetheless.
2010: Missouri 23, Illinois 13 in St. Louis, MO (Week 1). Even as a supporter of this rivalry always being in St. Louis if possible ... yeah, his once again just sucked starting the season off immediately on the wrong foot.
2012: Arizona State 45, Illinois 14 in Tempe, AZ (Week 2). IT didn't take long to have doubts about the Beckman Era, getting blown out in his second game. These doubts would be solidified in Week 4 when a blowout home loss to Louisiana Tech kick-started a 9-game losing streak to end the year, lol.
2013: #19 Washington 34, Illinois 24 in Chicago, IL (Week 3). I have no complaints about scheduling the game or having it at Soldier Field, but this is just another example of us failing an early season test like this.
2014: Washington 44, Illinois 19 in Seattle, WA (Week 3). In a make-or-break season for Beckman, our 2-0 Illini showed their true colors in our first real test.
2015: North Carolina 48, Illinois 14 in Chapel Hill, NC (Week 3). I honestly sometimes get this route and the loss at Virginia (stay tuned!!) confused, as they felt so similar, haha.
2021: Virginia 42, Illinois 14 in Charlottesville, VA (Week 3). Wait, it's because they WERE extremely similar! :ROFLMAO: Seriously, though, this one was such a downer. We kicked off Bret's era here by knocking off Nebraska, and everyone was so pumped. It sucked to then follow that up with a stinker of a loss at home to UTSA in Week 2 and then this blowout.
2023: Kansas 34, Illinois 23 in Lawrence, KS (Week 2). Another classic example of a "big early test" in an important season for the program, and we failed. If last year hadn't been such an awesome season for us, 2023 very well could have been another 2008 campaign as far as it affected our trajectory.

So ... we are 2-20 in these big early season non-conference tests. It might be unreasonable to expect to have a winning record vs. Power Five opponents away from home, but that is remarkably bad. And, as shown above, many of these early season results helped set the tone for the rest of our season - most times negatively, but sometimes positively like in 2001 and 2007. The bottom line is that this game at Duke is one we should win if we have aspirations of being a 2001- or 2007-type team, and it's a game we will not win if we are pretenders. Would a loss totally derail our season? No, of course not; Duke is a solid team, and it is only Week 2. However, it would be a huge statement and would help ease our fans' collective psyche if we could pass this early season test ... because we have watched ourselves fail it WAY too many times before!
1987 North Carolina 34, Illinois 14. Road trip junior year from Champaign to Chapel Hill saw the Connells the night before at an awesome house party on a steamy North Carolina evening, but alas, another loss to add to the pile of poor performances by the Illini in early non-conference football games.
 
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I traveled to Lincoln in 1985 with a bunch of UI Arthur Andersen cohorts on a Friday aft in mid Sept and watched us get manhandled by the
Huskers

our history of winning against noncon P5 teams (hell, even G5 teams) in the modern era is abysmal
then again , our history against all teams in the modern era is abysmal
We went to the KU game two years ago with high hopes and for a variety of reasons, that trip sucked, although the people were very friendly. We also went to Lincoln last fall, and that trip was amazing. Obviously the win was incredible on their 400th sellout, but the people were the best. 40-50 people approached us as we left the stadium thanking us for coming and telling us they hoped we had enjoyed ourselves. We got one loud "F Illinois" as we walked back towards the car, but that fell like a victory mantle! Hoping Duke is much like last year's NE game. We'll be there!
 
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We went to the KU game two years ago with high hopes and for a variety of reasons, that trip sucked, although the people were very friendly. We also went to Lincoln last fall, and that trip was amazing. Obviously the win was incredible on their 400th sellout, but the people were the best. 40-50 people approached us as we left the stadium thanking us for coming and telling us they hoped we had enjoyed ourselves. We got one loud "F Illinois" as we walked back towards the car, but that fell like a victory mantle! Hoping Duke is much like last year's NE game. We'll be there!
i went to the UCLA game in 2003 with the wife & kids and made it into a 5 day mini vacation around LA. their fans are very nice & well mannered . country clubbish

the game sucked tho. thru all those years of playing the PAC, not sure we ever won a road game
 
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1987 North Carolina 34, Illinois 14. Road trip junior year from Champaign to Chapel Hill saw the Connells the night before at an awesome house party on a steamy North Carolina evening, but alas, another loss to add to the pile of poor performances by the Illini in early non-conference football games.
My senior year. We were awful (3-7-1), though inexplicably we managed to tie the conference champion (MSU) on the road and lost to Michigan by only a FG at home. Beat the cellar dwelling Badgers. Lost to the cellar dwelling Mildcats.

I think about that season frequently, the bottom of the four-season, post-Rose Bowl Mike White slide. It's in stark contrast to where we are now.
 
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I traveled to Lincoln in 1985 with a bunch of UI Arthur Andersen cohorts on a Friday aft in mid Sept and watched us get manhandled by the
Huskers

our history of winning against noncon P5 teams (hell, even G5 teams) in the modern era is abysmal
then again , our history against all teams in the modern era used to be abysmal
FIFY
 
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Thought I'd begin a thread for this road game. Visitor-side tickets are abundant via the Duke athletics Web site and (compared with most power conference games) fairly cheap:


Just bought our tickets this morning (dead-on 50 yard line in Section 7 for $62 each) and can't wait to drive over from DC.

Visitors are apparently in Sections 3-7 on the east side of the stadium (which is the visitors sideline) per @GatorMcKlusky 's post on Thursday:


See also @MDchicago 's post on Friday:


Hope to see a sea of orange there!

:illinois: 🏈:alma-mater::ms:
I'm in & was amazed to see how many really good tickets are out there & at a much better than expected price; went to Ill- Carolina a few years back & was able to grab some seats on the 45 yard line like 20 rows up. Hope we can schedule NC State & Wake soon.
 
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