Illini Football 2023

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Dan

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Schedule | Roster | Tickets

Single game tickets go on sale Thursday, July 13 at 12:00pm.


2023 Illinois Football Schedule
DateOpponentTime/TV
Sat, Sept 2Toledo6:30pm BTN
Fri, Sept 8@Kansas6:30pm ESPN2
Sat, Sept 16Penn State11:00am FOX
Sat, Sept 23Florida Atlantic
Sat, Sept 30@Purdue
Fri, Oct 6Nebraska7:00pm FS1
Sat, Oct 14@Maryland
Sat, Oct 21Wisconsin
(Homecoming)
Sat, Nov 4@Minnesota
Sat, Nov 11Indiana
Sat, Nov 18@Iowa
Sat, Nov 25Northwestern

All times CT
 
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Dan

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"FOX Big Noon Kickoff home showdown against Penn State on Saturday, Sept. 16 at 11 a.m. CT"

"The Illini have already sold more than 7,000 new season tickets, their most since the 2008 season"

 
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"FOX Big Noon Kickoff home showdown against Penn State on Saturday, Sept. 16 at 11 a.m. CT"

"The Illini have already sold more than 7,000 new season tickets, their most since the 2008 season"

Interesting... So completely unscientific analysis of last year's attendance numbers showed that we had 301,339 fans in attendance across seven home games (per ESPN).

That averages out to 43,048 per game. By making a few assumptions that would/could mean we will be averaging 50,048 per game this year, which would make the stadium about 82% full (again, on average).

I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to suggest that (assuming the team doesn't poop the bed the first month, which I don't think they will) we might actually be looking at some full houses for Nebraska, Wisconsin, and maybe Indiana.
 
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Interesting... So completely unscientific analysis of last year's attendance numbers showed that we had 301,339 fans in attendance across seven home games (per ESPN).

That averages out to 43,048 per game. By making a few assumptions that would/could mean we will be averaging 50,048 per game this year, which would make the stadium about 82% full (again, on average).

I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to suggest that (assuming the team doesn't poop the bed the first month, which I don't think they will) we might actually be looking at some full houses for Nebraska, Wisconsin, and maybe Indiana.
--- I fully acknowledge I am nerding out here a bit, but I find this stuff interesting. Having grown up in Iowa City with Iowa fans and seeing the ELITE tailgating scene by Kinnick, I am also desperate for Memorial Stadium/Champaign to reach its incredibly high potential as a "must visit" college football destination in the Big Ten and Midwest ... we have nobody in our way but ourselves! ---

While a sellout is nice for the statement it makes, what is really important is for players, recruits, media personalities, fans and viewers - whether they love, hate or don't really care about the Illini - to perceive Memorial Stadium as a place that looks full and sounds loud for our games, specifically that home game against Penn State. Given the absurd number of seats we have underneath the east balcony overhang (see my P.S. rant below, lol) that are not really visible, the magic number for it to "look like a sellout" seems to be somewhere around 53k to 55k. The rest of the stadium was completely full, but compare the following crowds in the east balcony from our most recent 2022 season:

45,683 vs. Minnesota
Minn 1.jpeg



56,092 vs. Michigan State
MSU 2022.jpeg


Since all of the ~4k unsold tickets vs. MSU are underneath the overhang, it looks like a sellout. I forget the exact numbers of how the seats are distributed, but anything over like 44k will likely mean the lower bowl is packed. Anything over like 50k likely means the stadium looks "pretty full," and I think anything over 54k will look like a sellout. We NEED to put on a show for Big Noon Kickoff vs. Penn State, and I hope the DIA is actively working on ways to make sure students are in Grange Grove for the pregame broadcast and that we have a tailgating setup that will impress on national TV! It is honestly a monumental test of Illinois as a "football school." We cannot control if we win or lose that game (though a win would also be HUGE), but we CAN control how the college football world perceives Illinois football in the Bielema Era. Think of how quickly the reputation of the RAC changed because Rutgers basketball had an insane atmosphere there for a game a couple years ago and knocked off some good teams. Your average college football fan views Memorial Stadium as a morgue because it has been ... we can INSTANTLY change that perception if millions are tuning in to see a packed, orange clad stadium on a beautiful September day.

P.S. Regarding the seats underneath the overhang, this was a monumental failure to not do something with this during the RG renovation. Absolutely no new stadiums have seats underneath like that; they do what the following stadiums do and wall it off, ala Iowa State's stadium that is smaller than ours but looks more complete:

eff0bc18-d1a5-49cf-b631-814d6fe7363d-large16x9_JACKTRICE.JPG


If we got rid of the 5k+ seats underneath the overhang and had a brick wall that would match the west balcony brick wall, it would not only return our stadium to the symmetrical look that originally made it beautiful (it currently looks so unbalanced!), it would allow us to fix the damn Horseshoe and the hideously huge space between the end zone and the stands WITHOUT INCREASING CAPACITY! I sincerely hope the in the eventual renovation that we do the following ... keep it super simple, relatively inexpensive and hit a homerun:

1. Remove all seats underneath the east balcony and make the lower bowl match the lower bowl on the east side.

2. Reconfigure the North End Zone (current student section) into a family-friendly area for large groups with beer gardens, vendors, tables and umbrellas in one part, etc. Think what Indiana has in the one end zone. That area isn't ugly or anything and it actually helps enclose the stadium, it just shouldn't be where the STUDENTS are!

3. Take all capacity from underneath the east balcony and redistribute it to the Horseshoe. Build a structure similar to what they have at Iowa in their end zones that LOOKS bigger/more imposing but actually REDUCES our overall capacity. Make it nice and move donors who are currently in the East Main seats to this more luxurious spot (even if it's in an end zone).

4. Move the students to East Main.
 
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Dan, feel free to move, but I didn't think this really deserved its own topic just because I am rambling. :ROFLMAO: However, I had a few more thoughts on Memorial Stadium. First off, we really should just have some temporary bleachers for big games (like Penn State!!) that bring the Horseshoe seats down closer to the end zone. This is an absolutely comical distance from the end zone and it's an eyesore that doesn't match the rest of the stadium, I'm sorry:

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I was able to find an old rendering (photo?) of Memorial Stadium when it did have temporary bleachers to fill in the space. I am probably overstating my case here because I'm bored, but I think filling in that space goes a LONG way to making Memorial Stadium look more complete in the SEZ:

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Again, it'd be better with the same view, but it is not that hard to imagine the seats in the second photo brought down to field level with removable bleachers, and given the angle, it would practically double the amount of space seating takes up. And that looks a LOT better. Either way, I am holding out hope we someday get this, because it would be beautiful:

illini_1.jpg


Of the great football stadiums that usually receive respect and hype outside of their fan bases, every single one is enclosed on all four sides with one of the following: (A) actual seating capacity, (B) some sort of structure that completes the stadium aesthetically like Oklahoma State or (C) left open intentionally to make a scenic view visible like Minnesota and the Minneapolis skyline or Washington and the "Sailgating" scene. Memorial Stadium seems to be closest to (A), but we don't have anywhere near enough seats and it isn't tall enough, so it just looks bad, small and disjointed.
 
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It all depends on the student section. Many times they just can't get out of bed for an 11 am start. The spirit isn't there unless the student section is full. Barry and the band will be there regardless.
 
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Can't wait to see how our new QB plays.

Bret will run first and restrict him to short throws so as long as he goes thru progressions fast and has quick release we should be good.

Question will be on what he can do on 3rd an long when the defense knows we have to pass.

Keys
- no interceptions
- no sacks
- trust the defense
 
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Joel Goodson

respect my decision™
Can't wait to see how our new QB plays.

Bret will run first and restrict him to short throws so as long as he goes thru progressions fast and has quick release we should be good.

wut? if a receiver is open, Altmyer is throwing to him, regardless of where said receiver is. not suggesting we're gonna air it out, but the notion that staff is going to restrict him is a fallacy (not to mention playing right into the defense's hand).
 
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--- I fully acknowledge I am nerding out here a bit, but I find this stuff interesting. Having grown up in Iowa City with Iowa fans and seeing the ELITE tailgating scene by Kinnick, I am also desperate for Memorial Stadium/Champaign to reach its incredibly high potential as a "must visit" college football destination in the Big Ten and Midwest ... we have nobody in our way but ourselves! ---

While a sellout is nice for the statement it makes, what is really important is for players, recruits, media personalities, fans and viewers - whether they love, hate or don't really care about the Illini - to perceive Memorial Stadium as a place that looks full and sounds loud for our games, specifically that home game against Penn State. Given the absurd number of seats we have underneath the east balcony overhang (see my P.S. rant below, lol) that are not really visible, the magic number for it to "look like a sellout" seems to be somewhere around 53k to 55k. The rest of the stadium was completely full, but compare the following crowds in the east balcony from our most recent 2022 season:

45,683 vs. Minnesota
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56,092 vs. Michigan State
View attachment 26274

Since all of the ~4k unsold tickets vs. MSU are underneath the overhang, it looks like a sellout. I forget the exact numbers of how the seats are distributed, but anything over like 44k will likely mean the lower bowl is packed. Anything over like 50k likely means the stadium looks "pretty full," and I think anything over 54k will look like a sellout. We NEED to put on a show for Big Noon Kickoff vs. Penn State, and I hope the DIA is actively working on ways to make sure students are in Grange Grove for the pregame broadcast and that we have a tailgating setup that will impress on national TV! It is honestly a monumental test of Illinois as a "football school." We cannot control if we win or lose that game (though a win would also be HUGE), but we CAN control how the college football world perceives Illinois football in the Bielema Era. Think of how quickly the reputation of the RAC changed because Rutgers basketball had an insane atmosphere there for a game a couple years ago and knocked off some good teams. Your average college football fan views Memorial Stadium as a morgue because it has been ... we can INSTANTLY change that perception if millions are tuning in to see a packed, orange clad stadium on a beautiful September day.

P.S. Regarding the seats underneath the overhang, this was a monumental failure to not do something with this during the RG renovation. Absolutely no new stadiums have seats underneath like that; they do what the following stadiums do and wall it off, ala Iowa State's stadium that is smaller than ours but looks more complete:

eff0bc18-d1a5-49cf-b631-814d6fe7363d-large16x9_JACKTRICE.JPG


If we got rid of the 5k+ seats underneath the overhang and had a brick wall that would match the west balcony brick wall, it would not only return our stadium to the symmetrical look that originally made it beautiful (it currently looks so unbalanced!), it would allow us to fix the damn Horseshoe and the hideously huge space between the end zone and the stands WITHOUT INCREASING CAPACITY! I sincerely hope the in the eventual renovation that we do the following ... keep it super simple, relatively inexpensive and hit a homerun:

1. Remove all seats underneath the east balcony and make the lower bowl match the lower bowl on the east side.

2. Reconfigure the North End Zone (current student section) into a family-friendly area for large groups with beer gardens, vendors, tables and umbrellas in one part, etc. Think what Indiana has in the one end zone. That area isn't ugly or anything and it actually helps enclose the stadium, it just shouldn't be where the STUDENTS are!

3. Take all capacity from underneath the east balcony and redistribute it to the Horseshoe. Build a structure similar to what they have at Iowa in their end zones that LOOKS bigger/more imposing but actually REDUCES our overall capacity. Make it nice and move donors who are currently in the East Main seats to this more luxurious spot (even if it's in an end zone).

4. Move the students to East Main.
Couple things here....

1. RG was a moron when it came to this type of thing. His last renovation was a disaster

2. I hate to be one of those "well back in my day" type of guys, but I'm going to make an exception here. When I was a student here in the first half of the '80's, game day in Champaign was second to none. Tailgating was fantastic (whatever happened to Tailgreat), Block I was rocking, you had the fraternity/sorority blocks filled - it was just awesome. With Grange Grove, it should by all rights be even better now. I really think we are one good year away from starting to re-create the type of experience I had here as a student
 
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Illinivek23

Gurnee
Couple things here....

1. RG was a moron when it came to this type of thing. His last renovation was a disaster

2. I hate to be one of those "well back in my day" type of guys, but I'm going to make an exception here. When I was a student here in the first half of the '80's, game day in Champaign was second to none. Tailgating was fantastic (whatever happened to Tailgreat), Block I was rocking, you had the fraternity/sorority blocks filled - it was just awesome. With Grange Grove, it should by all rights be even better now. I really think we are one good year away from starting to re-create the type of experience I had here as a student
POTY
 
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Interesting... So completely unscientific analysis of last year's attendance numbers showed that we had 301,339 fans in attendance across seven home games (per ESPN).

That averages out to 43,048 per game. By making a few assumptions that would/could mean we will be averaging 50,048 per game this year, which would make the stadium about 82% full (again, on average).

I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to suggest that (assuming the team doesn't poop the bed the first month, which I don't think they will) we might actually be looking at some full houses for Nebraska, Wisconsin, and maybe Indiana.
Would guess the majority of new season ticket people went to some games last year as part of the 43k. I doubt there are many people that are going to go from having 0 tickets a year to season tickets (particularly when there isn’t buzz going into the year to non-goers to pay attention because we’re a top 10 team preseason).

Either way it’s good movement for sure.
 
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Would guess the majority of new season ticket people went to some games last year as part of the 43k. I doubt there are many people that are going to go from having 0 tickets a year to season tickets (particularly when there isn’t buzz going into the year to non-goers to pay attention because we’re a top 10 team preseason).

Either way it’s good movement for sure.
Yeah, I took some liberties with the numbers. Basically my way of saying the bolded in your post.
 
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Yeah, I took some liberties with the numbers. Basically my way of saying the bolded in your post.
For sure - and I’m guessing if you looked at just the games once it was established we were a winning team, we had a higher average.

It’s almost like a SaaS subscription business.

Can you first attract people to try your product one time (aquisition) and then subsequently up sell them into an annual plan.

The better the product the less churn or down sells we should have.
 
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