Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
It’s very difficult to guess, BUT I think we find out tomorrow.For those that have a better idea of how this works than me, what time do you think the Northwestern game will be next weekend?
It’s very difficult to guess, BUT I think we find out tomorrow.For those that have a better idea of how this works than me, what time do you think the Northwestern game will be next weekend?



Memorial Stadium Sellout Watch 2024 is packing up for the winter! What a fun home season that included TWO sellouts, including the first since 2016. As others have noted, the average attendance of 54,750 per game is the most for a season 2009. Not to mention the 6 wins on the field that we fans got to witness and experience in person.
I started religiously tracking the sales of tickets at Memorial Stadium in 2022, and it's amazing how much different things are now than they were just two seasons ago. Back then, we had a 7-1 team and were running a $15 per ticket flash sale the week of the Michigan State game, just to draw 56k. Now we have thousands more season ticket holders. We have better student engagement that sold out its allotment of 6,500 tickets. Even the gameday experience and atmosphere have seen massive improvements (I was one that waited ~40 minutes in the security/ticket scanning line for the Week 0 game against Wyoming in 2022...a game that drew only 37,832). All this results in fans coming to the tailgate lots, going into our beautiful and historic stadium, being part of a raucous crowd, possibly seeing a thrilling win and walking out thinking, "that was so much fun and I can't wait to do that again." As the football program is slowly turning the ship around, the fanbase is tracking along side. As @Fighter of the Nightman has pointed out, there are plenty of reasons why we CAN be a fanbase that draws consistently well and sells out MS on the regular. But we're still building that muscle memory - that habit of being at the stadium every home Saturday. I think we can get there.
For those that care enough to indulge me, I'd like to recap my attendance tracking/guessing this season. My attendance guesses technically averaged a difference of (379) per game, but that is helped by my over-estimation in Week 1. On an absolutely value basis, my guesses varied from the actual attendance by 874 per game. Despite knowing so much more about the ticket sales/availability trends on a week-to-week basis than I did when I started this a couple years ago, I still find it pretty hard to try to pin down the announced attendance number haha. I'd also be remiss if I didn't shout out @GreenDotWatch (account on Twitter) that showed me a way right before Week 1 to glean ticket availability data by inspecting the webpage data. This allowed me to "manually" refresh my ticket counts in about 5 minutes. Before that I was literally counting green dots and logging the counts for each row in a spreadsheet. That method could take me over an hour to get a refreshed tracker count.
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For those that have voiced an appreciation for this series, that means more to me than you probably know. It's an obsession for me regardless, but knowing there are others interested too gives me the motivation to share my findings more broadly. Here's to what was a fun 2024 home season and to an even better one in 2025. I-L-L
Oh, also, if you have any suggestions for improvements or things you'd find interesting to include in the Sellout Watch series, I'm all ears.
Bravo! Great work! I always followed along with your posts on attendance, I always found it interesting. And I, as most all of us, really REALLY appreciate the effort you put into it. I'm glad you found some resources to cut down on the time you had to invest. I truly hope that someday you won't have to do this anymore because we are selling out the ENTIRE SEASON!!!!Thank you, @IlliniInBuckeyeState, for all of your hard work. I really enjoyed your updates and guesses every game as well as your final stats. I hope you continue to do these on IL for future seasons.
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Memorial Stadium Sellout Watch 2024 is packing up for the winter! What a fun home season that included TWO sellouts, including the first since 2016. As others have noted, the average attendance of 54,750 per game is the most for a season 2009. Not to mention the 6 wins on the field that we fans got to witness and experience in person.
I started religiously tracking the sales of tickets at Memorial Stadium in 2022, and it's amazing how much different things are now than they were just two seasons ago. Back then, we had a 7-1 team and were running a $15 per ticket flash sale the week of the Michigan State game, just to draw 56k. Now we have thousands more season ticket holders. We have better student engagement that sold out its allotment of 6,500 tickets. Even the gameday experience and atmosphere have seen massive improvements (I was one that waited ~40 minutes in the security/ticket scanning line for the Week 0 game against Wyoming in 2022...a game that drew only 37,832). All this results in fans coming to the tailgate lots, going into our beautiful and historic stadium, being part of a raucous crowd, possibly seeing a thrilling win and walking out thinking, "that was so much fun and I can't wait to do that again." As the football program is slowly turning the ship around, the fanbase is tracking along side. As @Fighter of the Nightman has pointed out, there are plenty of reasons why we CAN be a fanbase that draws consistently well and sells out MS on the regular. But we're still building that muscle memory - that habit of being at the stadium every home Saturday. I think we can get there.
For those that care enough to indulge me, I'd like to recap my attendance tracking/guessing this season. My attendance guesses technically averaged a difference of (379) per game, but that is helped by my over-estimation in Week 1. On an absolutely value basis, my guesses varied from the actual attendance by 874 per game. Despite knowing so much more about the ticket sales/availability trends on a week-to-week basis than I did when I started this a couple years ago, I still find it pretty hard to try to pin down the announced attendance number haha. I'd also be remiss if I didn't shout out @GreenDotWatch (account on Twitter) that showed me a way right before Week 1 to glean ticket availability data by inspecting the webpage data. This allowed me to "manually" refresh my ticket counts in about 5 minutes. Before that I was literally counting green dots and logging the counts for each row in a spreadsheet. That method could take me over an hour to get a refreshed tracker count.
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For those that have voiced an appreciation for this series, that means more to me than you probably know. It's an obsession for me regardless, but knowing there are others interested too gives me the motivation to share my findings more broadly. Here's to what was a fun 2024 home season and to an even better one in 2025. I-L-L
Oh, also, if you have any suggestions for improvements or things you'd find interesting to include in the Sellout Watch series, I'm all ears.
His blocking won't go unnoticed by NFL scouts.And yet, if I'm reading and interpreting the prognostications correctly, PB is not even a Top 50 wide receiver in next spring's NFL draft. ZF is rated more highly?
(Yet, Robert had Bryant ranked in the preseason as our #1 most important player on the 2024 roster.)
CALL ME SHOCKED. I'm not really seeing any of our guys in the Top 4 rounds. I guess that's largely because we're expected to lose so few guys this off-season. Or, it means we could use four or five 5-star players!
That and you lead the conference in sacksThis is what happens when there are free runs into the backfield.
Thank you for your awesome work. I truly look forward to your updates before every game! I think some fans like to "simplify" the dynamics of building a program and take a sort of petty pride in ~not caring~ about "extra" details like our gameday atmosphere, uniforms, logo/fonts/brands, architecture/setup of the stadium, etc. "JUST WIN!" It's like, yeah man ... we all want that, we are just capable of thinking about some extra details at the same time.Memorial Stadium Sellout Watch 2024 is packing up for the winter! What a fun home season that included TWO sellouts, including the first since 2016. As others have noted, the average attendance of 54,750 per game is the most for a season 2009. Not to mention the 6 wins on the field that we fans got to witness and experience in person.
I started religiously tracking the sales of tickets at Memorial Stadium in 2022, and it's amazing how much different things are now than they were just two seasons ago. Back then, we had a 7-1 team and were running a $15 per ticket flash sale the week of the Michigan State game, just to draw 56k. Now we have thousands more season ticket holders. We have better student engagement that sold out its allotment of 6,500 tickets. Even the gameday experience and atmosphere have seen massive improvements (I was one that waited ~40 minutes in the security/ticket scanning line for the Week 0 game against Wyoming in 2022...a game that drew only 37,832). All this results in fans coming to the tailgate lots, going into our beautiful and historic stadium, being part of a raucous crowd, possibly seeing a thrilling win and walking out thinking, "that was so much fun and I can't wait to do that again." As the football program is slowly turning the ship around, the fanbase is tracking along side. As @Fighter of the Nightman has pointed out, there are plenty of reasons why we CAN be a fanbase that draws consistently well and sells out MS on the regular. But we're still building that muscle memory - that habit of being at the stadium every home Saturday. I think we can get there.
For those that care enough to indulge me, I'd like to recap my attendance tracking/guessing this season. My attendance guesses technically averaged a difference of (379) per game, but that is helped by my over-estimation in Week 1. On an absolutely value basis, my guesses varied from the actual attendance by 874 per game. Despite knowing so much more about the ticket sales/availability trends on a week-to-week basis than I did when I started this a couple years ago, I still find it pretty hard to try to pin down the announced attendance number haha. I'd also be remiss if I didn't shout out @GreenDotWatch (account on Twitter) that showed me a way right before Week 1 to glean ticket availability data by inspecting the webpage data. This allowed me to "manually" refresh my ticket counts in about 5 minutes. Before that I was literally counting green dots and logging the counts for each row in a spreadsheet. That method could take me over an hour to get a refreshed tracker count.
View attachment 37375
For those that have voiced an appreciation for this series, that means more to me than you probably know. It's an obsession for me regardless, but knowing there are others interested too gives me the motivation to share my findings more broadly. Here's to what was a fun 2024 home season and to an even better one in 2025. I-L-L
Oh, also, if you have any suggestions for improvements or things you'd find interesting to include in the Sellout Watch series, I'm all ears.
First, not sure I’d attach any significance what so ever to someone’s draft prospects because Robert labeled him as our #1 most important player. Second, most important player doesn’t necessarily even equate to best player or best pro prospect depending on makeup of the team.And yet, if I'm reading and interpreting the prognostications correctly, PB is not even a Top 50 wide receiver in next spring's NFL draft. ZF is rated more highly?
(Yet, Robert had Bryant ranked in the preseason as our #1 most important player on the 2024 roster.)
CALL ME SHOCKED. I'm not really seeing any of our guys in the Top 4 rounds. I guess that's largely because we're expected to lose so few guys this off-season. Or, it means we could use four or five 5-star players!
That is the Illinois way! My toddler loves the columns on the east side of stadium.Looking forward to doing it again next year even with a new little addition to the Illini family (gotta start em young right?)
Great work!Memorial Stadium Sellout Watch 2024 is packing up for the winter! What a fun home season that included TWO sellouts, including the first since 2016. As others have noted, the average attendance of 54,750 per game is the most for a season 2009. Not to mention the 6 wins on the field that we fans got to witness and experience in person.
I started religiously tracking the sales of tickets at Memorial Stadium in 2022, and it's amazing how much different things are now than they were just two seasons ago. Back then, we had a 7-1 team and were running a $15 per ticket flash sale the week of the Michigan State game, just to draw 56k. Now we have thousands more season ticket holders. We have better student engagement that sold out its allotment of 6,500 tickets. Even the gameday experience and atmosphere have seen massive improvements (I was one that waited ~40 minutes in the security/ticket scanning line for the Week 0 game against Wyoming in 2022...a game that drew only 37,832). All this results in fans coming to the tailgate lots, going into our beautiful and historic stadium, being part of a raucous crowd, possibly seeing a thrilling win and walking out thinking, "that was so much fun and I can't wait to do that again." As the football program is slowly turning the ship around, the fanbase is tracking along side. As @Fighter of the Nightman has pointed out, there are plenty of reasons why we CAN be a fanbase that draws consistently well and sells out MS on the regular. But we're still building that muscle memory - that habit of being at the stadium every home Saturday. I think we can get there.
For those that care enough to indulge me, I'd like to recap my attendance tracking/guessing this season. My attendance guesses technically averaged a difference of (379) per game, but that is helped by my over-estimation in Week 1. On an absolutely value basis, my guesses varied from the actual attendance by 874 per game. Despite knowing so much more about the ticket sales/availability trends on a week-to-week basis than I did when I started this a couple years ago, I still find it pretty hard to try to pin down the announced attendance number haha. I'd also be remiss if I didn't shout out @GreenDotWatch (account on Twitter) that showed me a way right before Week 1 to glean ticket availability data by inspecting the webpage data. This allowed me to "manually" refresh my ticket counts in about 5 minutes. Before that I was literally counting green dots and logging the counts for each row in a spreadsheet. That method could take me over an hour to get a refreshed tracker count.
View attachment 37375
For those that have voiced an appreciation for this series, that means more to me than you probably know. It's an obsession for me regardless, but knowing there are others interested too gives me the motivation to share my findings more broadly. Here's to what was a fun 2024 home season and to an even better one in 2025. I-L-L
Oh, also, if you have any suggestions for improvements or things you'd find interesting to include in the Sellout Watch series, I'm all ears.
Bielema could be the 4th winningest Illinois football coach by the end of next season (Zuppke, Eliot, & White).
I don't know if I should be happy or sad about that statistic. I guess it could be both.Bielema could be the 4th winningest Illinois football coach by the end of next season (Zuppke, Eliot, & White).
you should beI don't know if I should be happy or sad about that statistic.
2012 - 2022, four games with home attendance over 50k. You can kill a program like that.Also while average attendance is the single most informative figure, I also think it's important to look at how many "good" crowds we are getting. One sellout in 2016 vs. UNC can inflate the average vs. the prior year if our floor is low enough ... but when you actually look at the number of times we are selling 50k+ tickets (anything over that at least makes the stadium start to look respectably full), that is really telling a story of growing this fan base!
CROWDS OF OVER 50,000 AT MEMORIAL STADIUM
2024: 6 (high of 60,670 x2)
2023: 3 (high of 54,205)
2022: 1 (high of 56,092)
2021: 0
--- Smith fired, Bielema hired ---
2019: 0
2018: 0
2017: 0
2016: 1 (high of 60,670)
--- Cubit not retained, Smith hired ---
2015: 1 (high of 51,515)
--- Beckman fired, Cubit hired as interim ---
2014: 1 (high of 50,373)
2013: 0
2012: 0
--- Zook fired, Beckman hired ---
2011: 5 (high of 60,670)
2010: 6 (high of 62,870, which was the old capacity)
2009: 5 (high of 62,870 x2)
2008: 6 (high of 62,870 x4)
2007: 5 (high of 57,078 x3, which was the capacity that year due to renovations)
2006: 1 (high of 53,351)
2005: 4 (high of 52,633)
--- Turner fired, Zook hired ---
2004: 3 (high of 55,725)
2003: 3 (high of 58,363)
2002: 5 (high of 69,249 which was the old capacity)
2001: 3 (high of 70,904 x2, which was the old capacity)
2000: 5 (high of 72,524, over capacity)
So, when you look at the number of large crowds and the number of sellouts, we are having the best attendance we have had since 2008 ... and we are not coming off of the excitement of a Rose Bowl appearance, we are coming off of a 5-7 season. That speaks to organic growth in our attendance floor!
Lovie while a failure and not a program builder showed we were serious about changing our football fortunes and were willing to pay competitive prices to do so.2012 - 2022, four games with home attendance over 50k. You can kill a program like that.
It makes what Josh is doing all the more impressive, because his first hire was a complete failure. Lazy Lovie.
Yeah, I distinctly remember the perception that RG's DIA was frugal and seemingly did not see the value in paying big bucks. We almost seemed to take pride in looking at the OSUs of the world as "wasting money" rather than rightfully being jealous of them for mobilizing their resources, lol. Though he had many faults, I do think Mike Thomas attempted to start to change that narrative by sending a message that Illinois was a destination that would "pay up," but of course the problem was that he was unable to court any actually good coaching candidates, lol. It's easy to forget this, but us hiring Lovie was absolutely national news and a "splash hire." There's a reason we were able to sell out his second home game after not sniffing a sellout for years ... fans were genuinely optimistic, even if that optimism fell apart rather quickly.Lovie while a failure and not a program builder showed we were serious about changing our football fortunes and were willing to pay competitive prices to do so.
In an ideal world, Lovie comes in coaches up the team shows he's still a good coach and returns to the NFL after 2 or 3 successful seasons. Sets Illinois up as a place of upward mobility opening a new class of candidates to us.
It didn't quite work out that way, but showed us we need someone willing to really work and had success in college football.
I looked up Pat's recruiting info and 247 had him listed with a 4.87 40 when he was recruited out of high school.And yet, if I'm reading and interpreting the prognostications correctly, PB is not even a Top 50 wide receiver in next spring's NFL draft. ZF is rated more highly?
(Yet, Robert had Bryant ranked in the preseason as our #1 most important player on the 2024 roster.)
CALL ME SHOCKED. I'm not really seeing any of our guys in the Top 4 rounds. I guess that's largely because we're expected to lose so few guys this off-season. Or, it means we could use four or five 5-star players!