Illini Football 2025

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#28      
Okay, that part is fair enough, I am just saying that in general I think a lot of fans would have looked at this season even more favorably if we (A) had lost to Indiana when they had that #2 next to their name and (B) had not had the Wisconsin loss so close to the end of the season. The former would have sucked at any time, but I think it REALLY psychologically scarred us given when it occurred, because it really drove home that we just simply weren't a top 10 team, and it made that point in a particularly humiliating fashion, lol. The latter really just kind of sucked any feeling of regaining momentum away.
Not bad fan fiction Fighter. This was not your point but I'm not sure we beat USC if we play them at the end of the season, they seemed to me to get better as the season went on. Conversely, I suppose, it would have been a lot colder in Champaign for an LA-based team.
 
#30      
Thought it was interesting to look at my predictions (and others) for the season:

Post in thread '2025 Season Predictions Thread'
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/2025-season-predictions-thread.39342/post-2285652

I didn’t believe in Indiana so I missed this loss.

I had USC and Wisconsin reversed.

In summary, I picked losses to Ohio State and Washington. Picked loss to USC (Win). Picked win against Indiana (L) and Wisconsin (L).
 
#33      
I was thinking today about how the "shape" of a season can really change how we feel about it. For example, there was no "high" for the 2024 season that ever approached how we all felt sitting at 7-1 and just having demolished Nebraska in Lincoln in 2022 ... but we didn't finish that season how we all would have wanted. Flipping to basketball for a second, let's use our 2002 and 2004 teams as an example. Here is an "on-paper" comparison:

--- Quick Basketball-Related Break ---

Category:
2002 ... 2004

Record: 26-9 (11-5) ... 26-7 (13-3)
Final AP Rank: #13 ... #13
Big Ten Standings: Big Ten Champions (tied) ... Big Ten Champions (outright)
Big Ten Tournament: Lost in BTT Semifinals ... Lost in BTT Championship
NCAAT Seed: #4 Seed ... #5 Seed
NCAAT Result: Sweet Sixteen ... Sweet Sixteen

Very, very similar overall. 2004 might have had a better record and won the Big Ten outright, but 2002 played a harder schedule and got a higher seed, etc. While I am sure fans would have fond memories of both, my hunch is that the 2004 team might be remembered a tad more fondly by a slim majority. Why?

For one, the 2002 team was preseason #2 while the 2004 team was preseason #12, but I think it's not really about expectations. The 2002 team sort of "felt the same" all year, even through some losing streaks and winning streaks. I think a lot of fans felt the same about our March Madness chances in mid-January when we were 13-4 and ranked #11 as they did when we were 23-7 on March 3 and ranked #15.

Conversely, the 2004 team took its lumps early and even fell out of the top 25 for a streak that lasted until February 25! But they responded to that midseason adversity by winning 12 straight games heading into the BTT Championship vs. Wisconsin (which we lost), and I think fans were feeling like they were part of some wild ride. Then our road to the Sweet Sixteen that year involved absolutely demolishing a highly-hyped #4 seed Cincinnati team (that had talked plenty of smack publicly!) before putting up a fight we just couldn't win vs. a #1 seed Duke ... and we then had everyone coming back for what we knew would be a special year in 2005.

--- Back to My Football Point ---

What if this season's exact results had occurred in a different order, simply due to the schedule? Imagine this path to 8-4 instead ... for simplicity's sake, I just used whatever our opponents' rankings ended up being on the new date we played them if it was switched.

Aug. 29 - W 52-3 vs. Western Illinois
Sept. 6 - W 45-19 at Duke
Sept. 13 - W 38-0 vs. Western Michigan
Sept. 20 - L 25-42 at Washington
Sept. 27 W 24-6 vs. Maryland
Oct. 4 - L 10-27 at Wisconsin
Oct. 11 - L 16-34 vs. #1 Ohio State
Oct. 18 - BYE WEEK
Oct. 25 - W 35-13 vs. Rutgers
Nov. 1 - L 10-63 at #2 Indiana
Nov. 8 - BYE WEEK
Nov. 15 - W 43-27 at Purdue
Nov. 22 - W 34-32 vs. #15 USC
Nov. 29 - W 20-13 vs. Northwestern

All of a sudden, it's easy to spin this positive narrative...

1) We started off "taking care of business" to get to 3-0, but we lost our first road game of the season on the West Coast. We didn't look great doing it, but it's not that big of a deal ... then we returned home and handily beat Maryland, only giving up 6 points and seemingly addressing our defensive issues.

2) We have a TOTAL dud performance at Wisconsin to fall to 3-2, but we turn around and give the OSU defense its biggest challenge to-date, even though we lost. While everyone is sad we dropped to 3-3, the fan base sees a long slate of winnable games besides at Indiana.

3) After a bye week, we handle Rutgers at home and look good doing it. We get demolished at now-#2 Indiana, but people take it more how they took the Oregon loss last year - an expected butt whoopin' vs. a top 2 team, not a shock to the system. After looking good vs. RU, we attribute the loss in Bloomington less to us and more to Indiana just being really, really good.

4) After spending a bye week recovering from the Indiana loss, we rattle off three straight victories, including a relatively easy road win in West Lafayette and finally our "signature win" vs. a top 15 USC squad. With the season ending on a 3-game winning streak and winning 4 of our last 5 and the lone loss being at #2 Indiana, we are being recognized as one of the "hotter teams in the country" heading into our bowl game.

I'm not excusing any of the issues this year, and I got as frustrated as anyone at times ... but it is food for thought.

(1) I agree the narrative would be different
(2) The vitriol after starting 3-3 on here would have been strong. The stands for that Rutgers game (and the fear of "what if we lose this one too?") would have been concerning. So many pieces would have been written about "same ole Illinois". I even think the USC win would have been discussed purely as a terrible loss for USC instead of a good Illinois win.
(3) This exercise was informative for me. It's made me realize this season was forever scarred by that Indiana score. If you make that a competitive loss, it feels sooooo different even if the rest of the results stand firm.
 
#34      
I know we all wanted a shot at the CFP, or even a 9-win regular season, but the trajectory the program is on is so exciting. Indiana is an anomaly with their instant rise to prominence. Building and sustaining football success is hard, especially with our history. Bret and Josh are building a real program here, with a chance to consistently be one of the top 10-20 programs in the county, possibly even surpassing it every few years if the stars align.

Exciting times!!
 
#35      
Thought it was interesting to look at my predictions (and others) for the season:

Post in thread '2025 Season Predictions Thread'
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/2025-season-predictions-thread.39342/post-2285652

I didn’t believe in Indiana so I missed this loss.

I had USC and Wisconsin reversed.

In summary, I picked losses to Ohio State and Washington. Picked loss to USC (Win). Picked win against Indiana (L) and Wisconsin (L).
Hehe....I pretty much nailed it at 8-4. I had losses to OSU, UW and Wisky, with a toss up between Duke and IU for the 4th loss
 
#36      
I was thinking today about how the "shape" of a season can really change how we feel about it. For example, there was no "high" for the 2024 season that ever approached how we all felt sitting at 7-1 and just having demolished Nebraska in Lincoln in 2022 ... but we didn't finish that season how we all would have wanted. Flipping to basketball for a second, let's use our 2002 and 2004 teams as an example. Here is an "on-paper" comparison:

--- Quick Basketball-Related Break ---

Category:
2002 ... 2004

Record: 26-9 (11-5) ... 26-7 (13-3)
Final AP Rank: #13 ... #13
Big Ten Standings: Big Ten Champions (tied) ... Big Ten Champions (outright)
Big Ten Tournament: Lost in BTT Semifinals ... Lost in BTT Championship
NCAAT Seed: #4 Seed ... #5 Seed
NCAAT Result: Sweet Sixteen ... Sweet Sixteen

Very, very similar overall. 2004 might have had a better record and won the Big Ten outright, but 2002 played a harder schedule and got a higher seed, etc. While I am sure fans would have fond memories of both, my hunch is that the 2004 team might be remembered a tad more fondly by a slim majority. Why?

For one, the 2002 team was preseason #2 while the 2004 team was preseason #12, but I think it's not really about expectations. The 2002 team sort of "felt the same" all year, even through some losing streaks and winning streaks. I think a lot of fans felt the same about our March Madness chances in mid-January when we were 13-4 and ranked #11 as they did when we were 23-7 on March 3 and ranked #15.

Conversely, the 2004 team took its lumps early and even fell out of the top 25 for a streak that lasted until February 25! But they responded to that midseason adversity by winning 12 straight games heading into the BTT Championship vs. Wisconsin (which we lost), and I think fans were feeling like they were part of some wild ride. Then our road to the Sweet Sixteen that year involved absolutely demolishing a highly-hyped #4 seed Cincinnati team (that had talked plenty of smack publicly!) before putting up a fight we just couldn't win vs. a #1 seed Duke ... and we then had everyone coming back for what we knew would be a special year in 2005.

--- Back to My Football Point ---

What if this season's exact results had occurred in a different order, simply due to the schedule? Imagine this path to 8-4 instead ... for simplicity's sake, I just used whatever our opponents' rankings ended up being on the new date we played them if it was switched.

Aug. 29 - W 52-3 vs. Western Illinois
Sept. 6 - W 45-19 at Duke
Sept. 13 - W 38-0 vs. Western Michigan
Sept. 20 - L 25-42 at Washington
Sept. 27 W 24-6 vs. Maryland
Oct. 4 - L 10-27 at Wisconsin
Oct. 11 - L 16-34 vs. #1 Ohio State
Oct. 18 - BYE WEEK
Oct. 25 - W 35-13 vs. Rutgers
Nov. 1 - L 10-63 at #2 Indiana
Nov. 8 - BYE WEEK
Nov. 15 - W 43-27 at Purdue
Nov. 22 - W 34-32 vs. #15 USC
Nov. 29 - W 20-13 vs. Northwestern

All of a sudden, it's easy to spin this positive narrative...

1) We started off "taking care of business" to get to 3-0, but we lost our first road game of the season on the West Coast. We didn't look great doing it, but it's not that big of a deal ... then we returned home and handily beat Maryland, only giving up 6 points and seemingly addressing our defensive issues.

2) We have a TOTAL dud performance at Wisconsin to fall to 3-2, but we turn around and give the OSU defense its biggest challenge to-date, even though we lost. While everyone is sad we dropped to 3-3, the fan base sees a long slate of winnable games besides at Indiana.

3) After a bye week, we handle Rutgers at home and look good doing it. We get demolished at now-#2 Indiana, but people take it more how they took the Oregon loss last year - an expected butt whoopin' vs. a top 2 team, not a shock to the system. After looking good vs. RU, we attribute the loss in Bloomington less to us and more to Indiana just being really, really good.

4) After spending a bye week recovering from the Indiana loss, we rattle off three straight victories, including a relatively easy road win in West Lafayette and finally our "signature win" vs. a top 15 USC squad. With the season ending on a 3-game winning streak and winning 4 of our last 5 and the lone loss being at #2 Indiana, we are being recognized as one of the "hotter teams in the country" heading into our bowl game.

I'm not excusing any of the issues this year, and I got as frustrated as anyone at times ... but it is food for thought.
My year in review is Illini only beat USC because it was the week after the Indiana beat down. USC only had game film of Duke moving the ball easily, and Indiana destroying the Illini. Came in unfocused, overconfident. Started slow and still almost pulled off the win.
If moved to later in the year, think that game is a loss.

Edit:battle89 pretty much same thought
 
#38      
My year in review is Illini only beat USC because it was the week after the Indiana beat down. USC only had game film of Duke moving the ball easily, and Indiana destroying the Illini. Came in unfocused, overconfident. Started slow and still almost pulled off the win.
If moved to later in the year, think that game is a loss.

Edit:battle89 pretty much same thought
Keep in mind Illini had two fumbles inside 3 yard line. Could have been two touchdown win.
 
#42      

I'm just now seeing this and haven't seen anything here (sorry if it's been posted), but any indication on who the started could be or even which side of the ball they'd be on?
At this point there's only five guys I'd really, really hate to see portal: Dixon, Clement, Clarke, Bailey, X Scott. If the last goes pro, not too bad, but portal would stink.
 
#43      
At this point there's only five guys I'd really, really hate to see portal: Dixon, Clement, Clarke, Bailey, X Scott. If the last goes pro, not too bad, but portal would stink.
X is the one that seems most likely to me. Other than maybe one of our RB's, but I really don't want to see Valentine go.
 
#44      
At this point there's only five guys I'd really, really hate to see portal: Dixon, Clement, Clarke, Bailey, X Scott. If the last goes pro, not too bad, but portal would stink.
X is the one that seems most likely to me. Other than maybe one of our RB's, but I really don't want to see Valentine go.
Oooh I forgot Valentine. 6!
 
#47      
Bowick, Trimble
Bowick's interesting. His start to the year was very nice, but was never quite the same guy consistently. After Dixon and Clement, can he be a 400-450 yard type guy (think sophmore year Pat Bryant or Brian Hightower)? I actually think there's a chance Trimble starts over him.
 
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#49      
Bowick, Trimble
I only included guys who played this year, and I don’t think Trimble's leaving.

Bowick's probably in the next grouping, along with some of the backs. If we add another piece (or if Trimble's really good), he could be in a Malik Elzy situation.
 
#50      
I commented on a post on guys he’d hate to see portal and added them to the list…..

He’s not portaling
being a visual learner, I'll be pushing the following for this season of transition

yes?
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or

no
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def hope Trimble stays a
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