Keaton does so many things at an exceptional level that he doesn't really need above the rim explosiveness to be effective. He fakes out so many guys on his drives with pass fakes, crossovers, step-throughs, change of direction. All of that while being a very effective distributor and shooter from any distance means he doesn't need to overpower people with dunks or elite speed (even though he is fairly quick).
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You’ve perfectly described Colon Cowturd.
He’s gotten somewhat better in recent years. But yeah, moronic rants about “only liking power dunks” and the like; pretty much encapsulates what you’re talking about.
Hans down.
I think there are multiple issues with that idea.
One issue would be participation. I can’t imagine Dybantsa, Peterson, Boozer, or Wilson would have played. (Possibly several others)
What would they have to gain? They don’t have a contract yet. They wouldn’t even do individual workouts with all who inquired. There is too much to lose. Who would accept that type of injury risk before signing?
The point of summer league is to get new and emerging players on the court with guys they will be playing alongside when it matters, get a longer look at guys you’ve signed on two way deals, try out fringe NBA talents, and get some work in with their coaching staff.
A pre- draft summer league accomplishes none of those things.
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I think it was pretty clear that the 3 headed monster of guards would be Wagler / Acuff / Brown. Maybe you could throw Flemings in there, but it was pretty clear that was the top 3. And up until the end, there was talks of the Clippers deciding between Wagler and Brown.
I wanted to compare Wagler’s best game, to the others:
Acuff best game — 26pts, 0rebs, 5ast, 5TOs, on 9/18 shooting and 2-6 from 3.
Brown best game — 20pts, 1reb, 3ast, 2TO, on 6/12 shooting, 3-6 from 3. (The thing about this game is he only played 20 minutes, so it was a great scoring rate which lots of people were pointing out)
Wagler best game — 26pts, 4reb, 2ast, 4TO, on 9/19 shooting and 2-7 from 3.
…..
The part that’s most notable for me, is that those guys had at least one really bad game just like Keaton.
Acuff worst game — 12pts, 1reb, 4ast, 5TO, on 4/14 shooting and 0-4 from 3.
Mikel Brown worst game — 14pts, 2rebs, 4ast, 2TOs, on 3/15 shooting and 2/10 from 3.
Wagler worst game — 7pts, 2reb, 1ast, 1TO, on 1/7 shooting and 1-5 from 3.
…..
LITERALLY the only difference I can think of:
is that his worst game was least harmful to his team out of all those guys, because he attempted less shots and took care of the ball.
BUT, the price to pay is that you’ll have a lesser raw point total. WHICH, is going to hurt you in the eyes of Pringle Chewing Couch Potatoes. BECAUSE, that’s literally the single thing they will care about. WHICH, means they will now go on social media looking to kill you.
Honestly, what can possibly be the reasoning for the negativity behind the kid’s performances?
I wanted to compare Wagler’s best game, to the others:
Acuff best game — 26pts, 0rebs, 5ast, 5TOs, on 9/18 shooting and 2-6 from 3.
Brown best game — 20pts, 1reb, 3ast, 2TO, on 6/12 shooting, 3-6 from 3. (The thing about this game is he only played 20 minutes, so it was a great scoring rate which lots of people were pointing out)
Wagler best game — 26pts, 4reb, 2ast, 4TO, on 9/19 shooting and 2-7 from 3.
…..
The part that’s most notable for me, is that those guys had at least one really bad game just like Keaton.
Acuff worst game — 12pts, 1reb, 4ast, 5TO, on 4/14 shooting and 0-4 from 3.
Mikel Brown worst game — 14pts, 2rebs, 4ast, 2TOs, on 3/15 shooting and 2/10 from 3.
Wagler worst game — 7pts, 2reb, 1ast, 1TO, on 1/7 shooting and 1-5 from 3.
…..
LITERALLY the only difference I can think of:
is that his worst game was least harmful to his team out of all those guys, because he attempted less shots and took care of the ball.
BUT, the price to pay is that you’ll have a lesser raw point total. WHICH, is going to hurt you in the eyes of Pringle Chewing Couch Potatoes. BECAUSE, that’s literally the single thing they will care about. WHICH, means they will now go on social media looking to kill you.
Honestly, what can possibly be the reasoning for the negativity behind the kid’s performances?
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I think it was pretty clear that the 3 headed monster of guards would be Wagler / Acuff / Brown. Maybe you could throw Flemings in there, but it was pretty clear that was the top 3. And up until the end, there was talks of the Clippers deciding between Wagler and Brown.
I wanted to compare Wagler’s best game, to the others:
Acuff best game — 26pts, 0rebs, 5ast, 5TOs, on 9/18 shooting and 2-6 from 3.
Brown best game — 20pts, 1reb, 3ast, 2TO, on 6/12 shooting, 3-6 from 3. (The thing about this game is he only played 20 minutes, so it was a great scoring rate which lots of people were pointing out)
Wagler best game — 26pts, 4reb, 2ast, 4TO, on 9/19 shooting and 2-7 from 3.
…..
The part that’s most notable for me, is that those guys had at least one really bad game just like Keaton.
Acuff worst game — 12pts, 1reb, 4ast, 5TO, on 4/14 shooting and 0-4 from 3.
Mikel Brown worst game — 14pts, 2rebs, 4ast, 2TOs, on 3/15 shooting and 2/10 from 3.
Wagler worst game — 7pts, 2reb, 1ast, 1TO, on 1/7 shooting and 1-5 from 3.
…..
I am GENUINELY lost for reasons behind the negativity regarding the kid’s performances?
I wanted to compare Wagler’s best game, to the others:
Acuff best game — 26pts, 0rebs, 5ast, 5TOs, on 9/18 shooting and 2-6 from 3.
Brown best game — 20pts, 1reb, 3ast, 2TO, on 6/12 shooting, 3-6 from 3. (The thing about this game is he only played 20 minutes, so it was a great scoring rate which lots of people were pointing out)
Wagler best game — 26pts, 4reb, 2ast, 4TO, on 9/19 shooting and 2-7 from 3.
…..
The part that’s most notable for me, is that those guys had at least one really bad game just like Keaton.
Acuff worst game — 12pts, 1reb, 4ast, 5TO, on 4/14 shooting and 0-4 from 3.
Mikel Brown worst game — 14pts, 2rebs, 4ast, 2TOs, on 3/15 shooting and 2/10 from 3.
Wagler worst game — 7pts, 2reb, 1ast, 1TO, on 1/7 shooting and 1-5 from 3.
…..
I am GENUINELY lost for reasons behind the negativity regarding the kid’s performances?
I like watching Keaton Wagler play basketball.
I think it was pretty clear that the 3 headed monster of guards would be Wagler / Acuff / Brown. Maybe you could throw Flemings in there, but it was pretty clear that was the top 3. And up until the end, there was talks of the Clippers deciding between Wagler and Brown.
I wanted to compare Wagler’s best game, to the others:
Acuff best game — 26pts, 0rebs, 5ast, 5TOs, on 9/18 shooting and 2-6 from 3.
Brown best game — 20pts, 1reb, 3ast, 2TO, on 6/12 shooting, 3-6 from 3. (The thing about this game is he only played 20 minutes, so it was a great scoring rate which lots of people were pointing out)
Wagler best game — 26pts, 4reb, 2ast, 4TO, on 9/19 shooting and 2-7 from 3.
…..
The part that’s most notable for me, is that those guys had at least one really bad game just like Keaton.
Acuff worst game — 12pts, 1reb, 4ast, 5TO, on 4/14 shooting and 0-4 from 3.
Mikel Brown worst game — 14pts, 2rebs, 4ast, 2TOs, on 3/15 shooting and 2/10 from 3.
Wagler worst game — 7pts, 2reb, 1ast, 1TO, on 1/7 shooting and 1-5 from 3.
…..
Yet the outrage seems to be far more about Keaton than any of those guys.
I wanted to compare Wagler’s best game, to the others:
Acuff best game — 26pts, 0rebs, 5ast, 5TOs, on 9/18 shooting and 2-6 from 3.
Brown best game — 20pts, 1reb, 3ast, 2TO, on 6/12 shooting, 3-6 from 3. (The thing about this game is he only played 20 minutes, so it was a great scoring rate which lots of people were pointing out)
Wagler best game — 26pts, 4reb, 2ast, 4TO, on 9/19 shooting and 2-7 from 3.
…..
The part that’s most notable for me, is that those guys had at least one really bad game just like Keaton.
Acuff worst game — 12pts, 1reb, 4ast, 5TO, on 4/14 shooting and 0-4 from 3.
Mikel Brown worst game — 14pts, 2rebs, 4ast, 2TOs, on 3/15 shooting and 2/10 from 3.
Wagler worst game — 7pts, 2reb, 1ast, 1TO, on 1/7 shooting and 1-5 from 3.
…..
Yet the outrage seems to be far more about Keaton than any of those guys.
yep, he's been just as good as the others.
Because the others are all 5 stars. Keaton was barely ranked.
It leaves the thought in casual fans minds that his one season here was a fluke.
Not saying I agree with that, actually think it's quite hideous. But that's probably why people act the way they do.
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pretty cool:
yet another affirmation of where the program is
yet another affirmation of where the program is
Probably doesn’t count Hawkins, Dainja, or Morez or Goode as Illini.
Might be a bit ugly in beginning of the season but if they really stick with this it's the best possible scenario for our guy.
I don't think it will be.
He'll be playing alongside Darius Garland, Brandon Ingram, and other great players who will create quality shots for him.
It'll make life a lot easier than summer league, as the lone ball handler playing alongside a bunch of Exhibit 10 / camp invite guys (and still he was great, minus one bad game).
X will be filled with hot takes nightly.
Might be a bit ugly in beginning of the season but if they really stick with this it's the best possible scenario for our guy.
I mean all that's true but he's going to be a 19 year old rookie being guarded by and defending against, at times, guys who have 5, 10 years NBA experience under their belts. He's going to make mistakes, he's going to look foolish, at times he's going to look bad. And that's all OK! Thats part of learning at that level. For a rookie being able to make mistakes without having to worry that you're going to ride the pine or get sent down to the G-League is the best case scenario.
We're using "great" very liberally here.
As far as being a team's best two players, for NBA teams, Garland and Ingram is about as bad as you'll find.
I do agree that Summer League team was just awful though. Even for summer league standards that was rough
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By "great" meaning he was just as good as the other guards selected in his range. Not noticeably better, not noticeably worse.
No? Garland is a two time All Star. And Ingram was an All Star this past year.
FWIW, I don't think Wagler starts over Mathurin. But in his role, over the entire course of the year, it’s unlikely he's going to be a liability to their team. (yes there’s going to be growing pains, as there is with all rookies)
I think his shooting will be a valuable asset, especially if he starts out in more of an off-ball role.
There’s a reason they have some of the worst odds in the nba. And is Mathurin even re-signed yet?
Just saying, do the exercise on how many teams have worse. It’s not many.
No one fears Darius garland and Brandon Ingram man haha
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