Illinois 101, USC 65 Postgame

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I'm unsure if the mechanics are different I'm the NCAA for this situation, but the ENDLINE official (known as the Lead) is not to have their eyes on the basket. That is the job of the center official, which was the guy that called it. He got straight-lined, as we say. Normally, we are taught to not call something unless we can definitively see it. I can totally see officials with replay possibility on goal tends calling this because they know it can be fixed, while it couldn't be corrected from the opposite perspective.

Why are we still bent out of shape over this? It was corrected.
Because we had to use a challenge to correct it.

Tired of hearing what a hard job it is. Lots of jobs are hard. Get it right the first time.
 
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The young man has some very nice PG skills. Difficult season for him - he started out injured and watched an unheralded FR at his position unexpectedly become one of the best players in the country. I know its unlikely, but I'd love to see him come back.
Petro coming back completely depends on the cast around him. If some of his friends stay, he will stay. Also if nothing else, he is a competitor. He’s going to want to prove he can play at this level (and the next).
 
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Because we had to use a challenge to correct it.

Tired of hearing what a hard job it is. Lots of jobs are hard. Get it right the first time.
@Chad Fleck did a very good job of explaining why the official wasn’t able to see the call. We didn’t lose a timeout (not that it mattered anyway). We got the basket. While it would have been good to get this one right in real time, I also understand the reasons why the on-court call was incorrect.

I’m a lot more frustrated why the conference continues to condone Fears’ dirty play and flopping than I am about this call.
 
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Tired of hearing what a hard job it is. Lots of jobs are hard. Get it right the first time.

Michael Lewis (author of liars poker and other great books fame) has a really good podcast in this very topic (I think the episode is literally called “You Suck Refs”. I suggest taking a listen. One of the basic takeaways was that refereeing has actually gotten better over the years but the perception has (unfairly) gotten worse.

Yes lots of jobs are hard. Expecting 100% performance in any of them is unrealistic.
 
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I can imagine he couldn’t believe the total domination.
Clearly. I love that photo. Man and woman at bottom of photo: Illini fans. Caleb and two dudes on either side of him: USC fans.

He can't possibly have witnessed that complete slaughterhouse of a game, and the ineffable beauty of the Illini game, and not thought to himself: "Wait a minute; am I on the wrong side of this?!"

We'll flip him.
 
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@Chad Fleck did a very good job of explaining why the official wasn’t able to see the call. We didn’t lose a timeout (not that it mattered anyway). We got the basket. While it would have been good to get this one right in real time, I also understand the reasons why the on-court call was incorrect.

I’m a lot more frustrated why the conference continues to condone Fears’ dirty play and flopping than I am about this call.
Yes he did, he defends the officials often here as he is in the club, and he has every right to do so. And by his own post on this (and your reply above), that ref was not in position to make the call, and therefore should not have. Saying we did not lose a time out is disingenuous; you get a max of two challenges per game and we had to use one of them on a call that should not have been made. Maybe we would need both later in the game, we don't know.

This exact situation just occurred in the hose job Nebraska got vs. Iowa. Had to use both challenges, and won both challenges, but therefore had none left at the end of the game.
Michael Lewis (author of liars poker and other great books fame) has a really good podcast in this very topic (I think the episode is literally called “You Suck Refs”. I suggest taking a listen. One of the basic takeaways was that refereeing has actually gotten better over the years but the perception has (unfairly) gotten worse.

Yes lots of jobs are hard. Expecting 100% performance in any of them is unrealistic.
I don't expect 100%, if 'get it right the first time' was interpreted that way. But I expect a lot higher percentage than I'm seeing.

And agree that Michael Lewis is terrific, and has great chops in both the business and sports fields. Have read most of his stuff over the years.
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Every time you win a challenge you should get that challenge back because there are no limits on incorrect, game-changing calls. I understand the NCAA, TV and even the fans want to limit those time-consuming reviews. IMO they should do that by limiting the time spent during a review rather than limiting successful challenges. If the refs cannot determine a call after a couple of minutes -- plenty of time to look at a few different angles -- almost by definition that means there is no "incontrovertible visual evidence" and the call should stand. The angles TV showed on the Boswell dunk were clear and obvious (especially the angle closest to the one the ref at midcourt had) within the first 30 seconds. I do realize it takes some time to reset the clock and shot clock in many instances, but there has to be a way to speed up that whole process.
 
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Michael Lewis (author of liars poker and other great books fame) has a really good podcast in this very topic (I think the episode is literally called “You Suck Refs”. I suggest taking a listen. One of the basic takeaways was that refereeing has actually gotten better over the years but the perception has (unfairly) gotten worse.

Yes lots of jobs are hard. Expecting 100% performance in any of them is unrealistic.
Because TV replays are better and social media has made everyone think they are the smartest person in whatever room they are in.
 
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Feel like we’re past the point of having to sell Andrej’s importance to our own fans, but if you want an awesome elevator pitch… check out the 15:25 - 14:25 minute stretch. It’s great.

His length and athleticism shuts off a drive to Kam Woods, forces an airball shot clock violation.

Catches the ball on the wing, rips and gets downhill, uses height to make an “easy” in the lane fadeway.

The last is my favorite (an element we just don’t have without him). Boswell steal off a ben and z double team. Andrej SPRINTS up the court, Kam woods is forced to stick with him to avoid giving up a layup. Forces Cofey to pick up Boswell, and leaves a wide open 3 for Ben to make.

All in a minute - his first minute back
 
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I got a wild hot take here lol.

It comes off as incredibly dumb because whatever the flow was, we were up 11 immediately, so to say it “favored usc” was wild.

But I will say in the moment, I was rolling my eyes at all the foul calls wondering how this game would be muddied up and if that would favor USC.

Thankfully I was dumb too. Overall though, I actually thought that was a well announced game. They were super complimentary of Illinois throughout - which hard not to be in that one
 
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Maybe he just wanted to give USC fans some glimmer of hope so they wouldn’t turn off their TVs, thus the broadcast would have lower ratings.
 
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I got a wild hot take here lol.

It comes off as incredibly dumb because whatever the flow was, we were up 11 immediately, so to say it “favored usc” was wild.

But I will say in the moment, I was rolling my eyes at all the foul calls wondering how this game would be muddied up and if that would favor USC.

Thankfully I was dumb too. Overall though, I actually thought that was a well announced game. They were super complimentary of Illinois throughout - which hard not to be in that one

His preplanned bit was about how USC thrives off FTs so a tightly called game would favor them and if there's one thing about him as an announcer is he is going to absolutely drive whatever pregame thought he has into the ground. Unfortunately for him when he made that point they showed a graphic that Illinois had a 12 to 5 FT attempt advantage.
 
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man, Dan Dakich had some wild takes. i used to be super annoyed at him but learned to take his announcing as great entertainment because he put out some real bad takes over the years and they were highly amusing. i kind of miss him.

When I lived in Indy, I would sometimes listen to the radio show he had. And to be fair, I would defend him sometimes because of the idiocy he had to deal with from IU and Purdue callers. The fact that he's with Outkick now should tell you how far he has fallen off.
 
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