Please don't use this again. I watched that movie by myself late one night. I told my wife the next morning, You will never watch that movie. And we haven't. It still unnerves me.
Illinois 105, Minnesota 97 Postgame
Big Jack
- Decatur
Full disclosure here. After I posted my surprise at his salary, I started to think for a second about my experience and then my age. I think my response was one more of "momentary loss of perspective" rather than a criticism of Hamer's coaching value. I certainly am not capable of evaluating that. I did follow up with the research of these state employees (which was entertaining in my silly little way), as well as thinking about my earnings milestones and my son's and son's-in-law currently. I'm happy for all these young men, including Hamer.Technically only $190,026/year.
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Both things can be true - our defense isn’t very good at all AND Minnesota had an amazing offensive night and hit tough shots
Eh, I'm not who you're replying to, but I think the Hamer stuff is overblown, personally. There's just a lot more hands in the pie it seems than say in football where if it's a system issue it's on the DC and if it's a unit issue it's on the position coach. From what we've heard, Chester is part of the defensive scouting, Brad runs the practices and institutes it, and Hamer, even if this defensive scheme is his brain child and does the detailed drills and coaching, the truth is, it's on Brad to realize it's not working and either override him, get him additional support, demote or backseat him, or even fire him.
I joked at it before, but Bruce Weber is one of the best defensive coaches out there and he's currently chilling in the B10 studio right now... if this really is the issue, the only question would be how many emergency stash suitcases full of cash would Josh need to crack open to get Weber to accept the limousine ride to Champaign to finish the season as our defensive coaching specialist and fire Hamer into the sun. Obviously this won't happen, but the point is that Brad assembled his staff and gave them responsibilities. If it's not working, he needs to fix it with whatever best options are available. Putting all this on Hamer's shoulders just seems silly to me, even if this is his defense.
Brad is the one who refuses to change the scheme defensively because he has conviction in the analytics around not allowing as many 3s and forcing tough twos. It doesn’t really matter at end of day what ZH says or advocates for if Brad likes the scheme and doesn’t want to change. If you want to criticize someone about it, criticize the head coach
Agreed. But, what makes you think you can trust him?
illiniswish09
- Northwest Suburbs
This for sure… And I do think things will get better defensively… Will it be great? Probably not but I do agree there has been some unluckiness during this free fall like some have said
Agree this all come back on Brad. I get having a philosophy and principles and in general I agree with his approach (2 is less than 3 of course). But I think you need to be flexible enough to adjust your game plan based on your opponent.
Watching Northwestern win at Maryland was eye opening. Maryland is not good. To beat them you need to trap Reese in the post and clog the paint to cut off driving lanes for Young. This will result in giving up open 3’s but guess what…Marylands wings can’t make them! They shot 3-22 or whatever they did.
Now some of that is that NW traps the post all the time so they are more comfortable with it, but I refuse to believe we can’t replicate even a C+ version of Northwestern’s defensive scheme with a couple of days of repetition. And I think that has a much greater chance of success than leaving Coleman on and island to get bullied by Reese and letting Young get wherever he wants because we are hugging 18% three point shooters.
Bigtex
- DFW
where is Tyler? for salary?
It's called muscle memory.I noticed that I've just automatically started to not even read posts that complain about our offense.
When I hit the first sentence that contains complaints about it, I noticed my fingers immediately swipe upward on my phone. It's so weird.
In regard to Hamer, I remember a few years ago, possibly as many as 5 or more, there were some articles about how BU is relying on more analytics (or whatever the official name is) and that Tyler was instrumental in that shift in focus. But at least one article mentioned that Tyler had someone else helping him and actually did a lot of the work (maybe, not sure about that but that is how I remember it). Was/is that other person Hamer? Not that important but I always wondered who that person was.
It's a look I prefer myself.
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Yeah honestly I think you're right.....it's mostly been just a way for Illini fans to vent at a specific individual after bad losses since none of it has been officially confirmed at all.
My main issue was with the previous poster saying that a 28 year old P5 asst. coach cant be criticized because hes somehow "still a kid".
Anyways....enough digital ink spilled....let's just outscore every opponent on the way to the Final Four!
OrangeBlue98
- Des Moines, IA
Generally speaking, a defense that's designed to force a team to take long 2-point shots is the best approach from an analytics perspective. The simplest explanation is that a team shooting 40% from 3 point range is like a team shooting 60% from 2 point range (120 points per 100 shots taken). The issue is that if the team still has to account for the strengths of the other team. I get it's a balance between "this is what we want to do and do well" vs "we have to take what the other team does well away", but there still has to be some recognition of what the other team does well and at least make it hard for them to do that.
For example, I'd say that Iowa DOES do a good job in the mid-range game. Perkins and Sandfort are both very solid mid-range shooters and know how to get their shots. Analytically, those are the shots Illinois wants a team to take. But when the strength of the other team is shooting from there, you have to figure out how to balance analytics, your strengths internally, and what the other team is trying to do.
So coming from a person who makes a living doing a lot of financial analysis and decision support, I'll summarize by saying analytics are a strong piece of an approach, but you can't 100% rely on them.
Bigtex
- DFW
agree -
Indiana horrible from 3's = trap the post
Maryland not very good from 3 = trap the post
For the 2023 #'s he was only making 56k, I wonder if there's some agreement since his father is the head coach on what they can pay him
Just over 200k
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
You say this as if Illinois didn't adjust their scheme when they won at MD. As I recall, they did exactly that and pretty much shut Reese down.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
Of COURSE you'd know that.
If he truly is playing a big part in the offense then I'd say he's underpaid.
Reese had a double double and shot 6/8 from the field. He actually scored above his season average.
That will buy a lot of popcorn.