Illinois 105, Penn 70 Postgame

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The people who say this are insufferable. Plain and simple. And they're miserable fans who don't watch much basketball outside of Illini games and frankly, don't understand basketball.

Michigan had a 4 point lead at halftime. Duke trailed at the half. I can go on and on and on.

There is zero value added in saying, if we play like that for 40 minutes, we won't beat Houston, in Houston. What's the freaking point in being negative after a game we led by almost 40 and where we scored more points than any other team that day?

Let the rest of us enjoy the win and enjoy the ride and stop crapping in our cheerios.
Agree. Especially the bolded part. Basketball is a game of swings. You're not going to play your best for 40 mpg because then it logically wouldn't be your best.

Also, regarding coaching - every coach out there, including the all-time greats, make bone-headed decisions and has bad games. A coach having a perfect game is about as rare as a pitcher throwing a perfect game.
 
#227      
The people who say this are insufferable. Plain and simple. And they're miserable fans who don't watch much basketball outside of Illini games and frankly, don't understand basketball.

Michigan had a 4 point lead at halftime. Duke trailed at the half. I can go on and on and on.

There is zero value added in saying, if we play like that for 40 minutes, we won't beat Houston, in Houston. What's the freaking point in being negative after a game we led by almost 40 and where we scored more points than any other team that day?

Let the rest of us enjoy the win and enjoy the ride and stop crapping in our cheerios.
I think people are struggling a bit with all the analytic metrics saying this team is a national title contender when anyone can see with their eyes that we're actually a very rickety and vulnerable team, in a way that's tough to rationally pinpoint, so it just becomes a matter of any moment of struggle "oh look, it's the bad thing again"

Plus the weird relationship with Underwood of course.
 
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Really think the first half being poor is being overstated

Held a 10 point lead with a 28-14 rebounding edge and only 2 turnovers… the one bad thing was the 6-22 from three (defense was good also outside of that last play of the half)
The difference in the halves was in the first one we missed a lot of shots. In the 2nd one we didn’t.
The game is a lot prettier when the ball hits the net.
 
#229      
I think people are struggling a bit with all the analytic metrics saying this team is a national title contender when anyone can see with their eyes that we're actually a very rickety and vulnerable team, in a way that's tough to rationally pinpoint, so it just becomes a matter of any moment of struggle "oh look, it's the bad thing again"

Plus the weird relationship with Underwood of course.
I think there's definitely a lot to this but I am very much going to disagree with the bolded. 6 of our 8 losses were by 4 points or less. The '01 team lost 5 of 7 games by 3 points or less and that team was #4 in the country in defensive efficiency.

No matter the style of play, you're going to lose some close games. We also had some slightly below average injury luck this year that likely contributed to 1 or 2 of our losses.

That's why I suspect it's a style of play issue with the vast majority of the fans who complain the most being folks who don't actually watch a lot of other basketball. That's a hill I'll die on.

I suspect half of this board would have b*tched and moaned about the '01 team too for some other reason.
 
#230      
In 2024, we led 14seed Morehead State by 1 at halftime.

We did make the E8 IIRC.
By halftime you could see that Illinois held a clear advantage on the offensive end of the floor.

If you think we're going to beat Houston in the SW16 based on the way we played against Penn, more power to you.. I can almost guarantee that those wide open 3s we made yesterday will not be so wide open against Houston...And we still have major question marks about our defense weren't answered against an overmatched Penn team..
 
#231      
I think people are struggling a bit with all the analytic metrics saying this team is a national title contender when anyone can see with their eyes that we're actually a very rickety and vulnerable team, in a way that's tough to rationally pinpoint, so it just becomes a matter of any moment of struggle "oh look, it's the bad thing again"

Plus the weird relationship with Underwood of course.
What team isn't vulnerable? Every time has that "bad thing again." We're a 3 seed that was ranked about #15 preseason. We're not going to look unbeatable the vast majority of the time.
 
#232      
I think people are struggling a bit with all the analytic metrics saying this team is a national title contender when anyone can see with their eyes that we're actually a very rickety and vulnerable team, in a way that's tough to rationally pinpoint, so it just becomes a matter of any moment of struggle "oh look, it's the bad thing again"

Plus the weird relationship with Underwood of course.
My view all week has been that this pairing was a match-up made in heaven for the Illini. Illinois, an offensively minded team, was paired with a Fran McCafferty team whose coaching pedigree has been that defense is sometimes secondary.
 
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For the record, I would like to add that I never said Illinois played poorly. Not once. In fact, I was very specific in that we did NOT play poorly.

I don't know how much more clear I can be. My commentary was never that we played poorly or bad or whatever, but that in the literal sense we played better second half than first half, and thus, could have scored more points if we played both halves the same. Which was what my comment was in reference to originally. 🤷‍♂️
What an idiotic take
 
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That 2nd half was about as optimal a performance as you can get. The thing I liked seeing the most was watching our energy build up and snowball. We were absolutely buzzing out there and appeared to remember our swagger. It wasn't due to a good shooting day- we were getting outstanding looks, the ball movement was crisp, movement off the ball was tremendous, and the effort on both sides of the floor was sensational.

I loved seeing Tomi get back to posting up, loved seeing Mirk go nuts, loved seeing Keaton's stepback remember him, seeing Kylan drive and distribute, see Ben's effort and shooting. That was a great great all-around performance. And the best part is, having that level if effort and energy us repeatable.

The first half outside of us looking pretty tight at the outset. I thought we actually were playing pretty well, we just were missing our open looks. Defense was pretty good, and rebounding was great. 2nd half though, those open shots fell, our defense cranked it up, and that was ballgame. All-around exceptional performance.

VCU is a very good test for us. It'll be like facing any speedy annoying gnat. But we play with the energy and effort we did today, crash the boards, and play tight D and we'll move on. Let them stick around and don't match their energy or effort and you're asking for trouble. But play like today and we roll. Great great game, and may we see a repeat performance tomorrow
 
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I think people are struggling a bit with all the analytic metrics saying this team is a national title contender when anyone can see with their eyes that we're actually a very rickety and vulnerable team, in a way that's tough to rationally pinpoint, so it just becomes a matter of any moment of struggle "oh look, it's the bad thing again"

Plus the weird relationship with Underwood of course.
I wouldn't call us rickety or vulnerable as much as that we have some clear bad matchups. Teams with physical quick guards and bigs who can neutralize us on the boards are going to be our worst matchup. There aren't that many teams that can do that but those that can will be troublesome for us. Teams that have neither of those we destroy. Teams with one of the two we usually beat. Teams with both though are tough as we can no longer rely on missed shot offense or on the opponent being 1 and done on our side of the floor.
 
#236      
I’m very happy we won today and looked great in the 2nd half. For whatever it’s worth, I told y’all we’d win handily 3 days ago… anyway… not sure why you’d post something like that. We’re all Illini fans and the vast majority are Brad supporters… but there were several questionable thing he did just in this game alone. When he does odd (dumb?) things; people question it. There’s nothing wrong with that. Don’t want to be negative after a great Illini win, but dismissing people out of hand for questioning questionable things Brad does just seems disingenuous.
131 posts after this win that set a few records vs how many after recent losses? He’s not wrong.
 
#237      
What team isn't vulnerable?
I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.
 
#238      
I would really like to put a dislike button on this comment. I can think of several games where we played 40 minutes of very good basketball. Mizzou for one.
You are correct. Missouri game was absolutely a complete gem.
 
#239      
Tough night for the "Brad can't coach crew." Excellent adjustments. BLOB sets were crisp. Keep it rolling fellas!
When we hit 3's Brad can coach. Second half we hit shots that weren't going 1st half. He absolutely is not a tier 1 coach. When VCU guards expose our players and his weak coaching shows up, make comments about him being a Hall of Fame coach. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll retire and Tyler Underwood will be named HC! 😆
 
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I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.

I think Purdue had shown plenty of vulnerability (more than us, even) during their recent 13 game stretch where they went 6-7

Duke looked plenty vulnerable yesterday, as did Michigan in the 1st half of their game (both teams will now play opponents who are eons better than the 16 seeds, so we'll see)

UConn lost a couple of very puzzling games to Marquette and Creighton (#83 & #93 in NET... our worst loss was to #30 UCLA in overtime)

Florida's backcourt shoots about 25% from 3 on the season and they're barely above 30% as a team... have losses to Missouri as well as TCU and Auburn (both home games)

Jefferson went down with a pretty ugly-looking injury today... will Iowa St show some vulnerability now? Have to see... they do have a loss to Cincinnati and have been blown out multiple times this year

The only thing that is going to make Houston not vulnerable is that they get to play a home game... I think they are 4-6 vs ranked teams
 
#241      
great win....and nice to have that kind of a game in front of a national audience.....
VCU is not going to be a gimme....hope i'm wrong but their brand of defense could give illinois trouble.....
don't like to criticize after a great 2nd half but BU needs to come up with a defensive scheme to prevent teams from bringing the ball the length of the court and scoring with 4.3 seconds on the clock.....
 
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I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.
I definitely disagree that there are 8 in a tier above us. I don't think sportsbooks are blinded by analytics, and they give us T-6th best odds to win it all. There's only 3 in the top tier. FL is more vulnerable than those, and we're not far behind Houston.

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I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.
Really?

This list includes:

Florida whose most recent game was a lopsided loss to Vanderbilt, and who also has losses to Auburn, Missouri, and TCU, all of whom rank below our worst loss on Kenpom.

UConn, who is 7-4 since Feb 6, including losses to Creighton and Marquette.

Purdue, who has been wildly inconsistent all year and lost to Indiana.

Not saying these are bad teams. They are good teams. But not sure how you could justify their being "not vulnerable."
 
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I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.
Purdue lost to Indiana and got the doors blown off of them by Iowa State.
Connecticut lost to Creighton and Marquette.
Iowa State lost to Cincinnati.

Houston lost to two teams we beat (Tennessee and Texas Tech). They also pissed a 10 point lead down their leg at Iowa State in the final minutes.

WTF are you even talking about?

I swear to god people on this board just post the absolute dumbest sh!t. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WATCH OTHER GAMES!

EDIT: juiceman and narrowj beat me to it.
 
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#245      
I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.
I think it is pretty obvious to the naked eye that Keaton never sleepwalks.
 
#246      
I mean, the 8 teams that are the top 8 of the AP Poll and got the 1 and 2 seeds. Everyone can lose but they aren't vulnerable in the same way we are.

Reams and reams of analytics and data say we belong in that group, but then I think a lot of the sort of weird and shapeless discontent and anger we see among some fans arises from it being pretty obvious to the naked eye that we don't, and that this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss that should have and would have won on any other day.

Maybe not! Worse teams than us have cut down the nets. But in terms of where we belong in the hierarchy we're kind of this weird cross-eyed entity right now and that's percolating a lot of stress.
I definitely disagree that there are 8 in a tier above us. I don't think sportsbooks are blinded by analytics, and they give us T-6th best odds to win it all. There's only 3 in the top tier. FL is more vulnerable than those, and we're not far behind Houston.

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As a follow-up, I reacted most to your claim that there are 8 teams in a tier above us (because that sounds like unwarranted negativism). If you had just said there are 3 in that top tier with one or two more in between us and them, I would have responded:

I agree we aren't in the top tier. I think the analytics also agree (especially our bad defense against good teams). And it is a let-down after being top 2 or 3 in metrics during our winning streak.

I also agree that it's concerning that we have only one win against a top team in the tournament under Brad, but the sample size is small, and we've done well against the bad teams, so I definitely wouldn't say "this season is likely going to end sleepwalking into yet another loss [they] should have [won]"
 
#247      
great win....and nice to have that kind of a game in front of a national audience.....
VCU is not going to be a gimme....hope i'm wrong but their brand of defense could give illinois trouble.....
don't like to criticize after a great 2nd half but BU needs to come up with a defensive scheme to prevent teams from bringing the ball the length of the court and scoring with 4.3 seconds on the clock.....
What brand of defense is that?
 
#249      
People are struggling to come to grips with the team we are versus the hypothetical national title contender that's like a ghost haunting our season.

Not just this Season but at this point the entirety of the Illini program. They know it. We know it.

Many (most?) Illini fans have hungered for The Big Trophy for decades – and most certainly very intensely since the near-miss in 2005. The fan base has a mental picture of where the program should sit among College Ball’s programs. And the expectations haven’t as yet been matched by the performance on the court in the Tournament.

We should not lower our expectations – not fans, Coaches, players, or media. They are reasonable and realistic. Sooner or later our expectations will be met with reality on the court. And then we can all finally take a deep breath and smile.
 
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