Illinois 113, Jackson State 55 Postgame

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#51      
BrownTown
It upsets me to see Indiana over Illinois for no real reason.

Gotta be Croatia though. It's Tomi's year. Throw in the points Big Z scores.

Tomi is averaging 20 this year. Book it
 
#54      
BWA
grue2 said:
Coach style comments -- if you only want the orange tint, move along.

Humrich and Davis had solid games. They did not do anything flashy. They just did their assigned tasks and were (mostly) in the right places at the right time. The offense was much smoother when Davis was on the floor.

Big Z: Needs to work on protecting the ball. When you have a rebound, the first priority is holding onto it. You can't just lazily bring it down, and you especially can't go straight to a dribble. He lost multiple balls after the initial grab. Another issue is his passes. The passes, especially the ones inside out, are telegraphed. Several were tipped, and at least one was stolen. He also needs to get his arms up sooner when guarding the perimeter and they are going to shoot. They took several successful shots over him.

Mirkovik - He did well based on his size and strength. There were a TON of mental mistakes. First, like Z, there wasn't enough emphasis placed on protecting the ball. There were multiple lazy passes, some dangerous passes, and some poor decisions when to pass, e.g. the pass out to Davis when he should have just dunked it with authority. He also is too loose with the dribble in traffic. Mirkovik was out of position defensively a fair bit, and did a poor job of closing out on his man; he reacted too late, thinking "should I", vs. just doing it. The offense often stalled with Mirkovik in the lineup and then smoothed once Davis came in. Some of this is arriving late. Some of it is not.

Wagler: A bunch of freshman mistakes. He tried to do too much 1:1 at times. (Not bad play, just freshman play.)

Defense: A solid team defense was nowhere to be found tonight. The defense played was purely using size/athleticism vs. being in the right positions and doing the right things. Rotations were off (missing, missed). Closeouts were poor. I get we had some people out. This looked to be more than just a coordination issue. Individuals were looking lost and didn't have their job down yet.

Offense: Despite the score, the offense didn't seem to flow most of the time. (It flowed far better with Jake than with Mirkovik.) One issue was the passes, both inside out, and around the horn were not crisp enough. They gave the defense time to rotate and recover. Another issue was when an player near the hoop noticed a teammate driving at them. They blindly vacated the area leaving their defender right in the path of the driving player. Stay and seal them off.

Let’s get better each game, and make a run in March.
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This is quite the take after a 58 point win
 
#55      
skyIdub
grue2 said:
Coach style comments -- if you only want the orange tint, move along.

Humrich and Davis had solid games. They did not do anything flashy. They just did their assigned tasks and were (mostly) in the right places at the right time. The offense was much smoother when Davis was on the floor.

Big Z: Needs to work on protecting the ball. When you have a rebound, the first priority is holding onto it. You can't just lazily bring it down, and you especially can't go straight to a dribble. He lost multiple balls after the initial grab. Another issue is his passes. The passes, especially the ones inside out, are telegraphed. Several were tipped, and at least one was stolen. He also needs to get his arms up sooner when guarding the perimeter and they are going to shoot. They took several successful shots over him.

Mirkovik - He did well based on his size and strength. There were a TON of mental mistakes. First, like Z, there wasn't enough emphasis placed on protecting the ball. There were multiple lazy passes, some dangerous passes, and some poor decisions when to pass, e.g. the pass out to Davis when he should have just dunked it with authority. He also is too loose with the dribble in traffic. Mirkovik was out of position defensively a fair bit, and did a poor job of closing out on his man; he reacted too late, thinking "should I", vs. just doing it. The offense often stalled with Mirkovik in the lineup and then smoothed once Davis came in. Some of this is arriving late. Some of it is not.

Wagler: A bunch of freshman mistakes. He tried to do too much 1:1 at times. (Not bad play, just freshman play.)

Defense: A solid team defense was nowhere to be found tonight. The defense played was purely using size/athleticism vs. being in the right positions and doing the right things. Rotations were off (missing, missed). Closeouts were poor. I get we had some people out. This looked to be more than just a coordination issue. Individuals were looking lost and didn't have their job down yet.

Offense: Despite the score, the offense didn't seem to flow most of the time. (It flowed far better with Jake than with Mirkovik.) One issue was the passes, both inside out, and around the horn were not crisp enough. They gave the defense time to rotate and recover. Another issue was when an player near the hoop noticed a teammate driving at them. They blindly vacated the area leaving their defender right in the path of the driving player. Stay and seal them off.

Lets get better each game, and make a run in March.
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Ok...I just got home and haven't watched any of the game or highlights.

If I didn't already glance at the final score, after reading this post I would have guessed 89-81.....not even close to 113-55!
 
#58      
grue2
skyIdub said:
Ok...I just got home and haven't watched any of the game or highlights.

If I didn't already glance at the final score, after reading this post I would have guessed 89-81.....not even close to 113-55!
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Yeah. The size and athleticism difference was enormous. It was like watching the seniors play the 8th graders. For quite a while the rebounding ratio was ~6:1. I think it ended ~3:1. The Illinois 3 point shooting percentage, especially in the first half, was unbelievable.

It occurs to me that a lot of Mirk's mistakes could be that he just wasn't taking the game seriously. Any lazy effort would be enough. I missed the first 5 minutes, and by then it was already clear that the game would be a blowout.
 
#59      
skyIdub

skyIdub​

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It won’t be Ben’s play that brings out the pitchforks.

It will be watching Mirk and Wagler minutes limited because BU loves Ben.

Dub dub for Mirk tonight. ✊🏼👊🏼


skyIdub​

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Not practicing zone​

Mirk winning B1G FOY…..

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Not to toot my own horn....but does this mean I at least get to drive the Mirk Hype Train?

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#64      
Piotyr
Another hilarious stat: The Illini shot 40-73 from the field today, good for 54%. They also had 21 offensive rebounds, a 64% offensive rebounding rate. This also means they had just 12 shots come away empty.
 
#66      
blackdog
Rebounding Dog said:
Gonna be a long season for someone who does not get excited about 45.9% 3 point shooting and 61 boards! Someone’s glass is half empty!
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We play cupcake games every season. We don't often run them off the court like that.

My only real concerns at this point for when the games start to matter is that Z is pretty soft and has nothing like Tomi's IQ, and that Wagler is going to struggle for awhile against better athletes like Will did last year.

A lot of the other mistakes can get hammered out with time and experience playing together/in the system.
 
#67      
STL Illini
grue2 said:
Coach style comments -- if you only want the orange tint, move along.

Humrich and Davis had solid games. They did not do anything flashy. They just did their assigned tasks and were (mostly) in the right places at the right time. The offense was much smoother when Davis was on the floor.

Big Z: Needs to work on protecting the ball. When you have a rebound, the first priority is holding onto it. You can't just lazily bring it down, and you especially can't go straight to a dribble. He lost multiple balls after the initial grab. Another issue is his passes. The passes, especially the ones inside out, are telegraphed. Several were tipped, and at least one was stolen. He also needs to get his arms up sooner when guarding the perimeter and they are going to shoot. They took several successful shots over him.

Mirkovik - He did well based on his size and strength. There were a TON of mental mistakes. First, like Z, there wasn't enough emphasis placed on protecting the ball. There were multiple lazy passes, some dangerous passes, and some poor decisions when to pass, e.g. the pass out to Davis when he should have just dunked it with authority. He also is too loose with the dribble in traffic. Mirkovik was out of position defensively a fair bit, and did a poor job of closing out on his man; he reacted too late, thinking "should I", vs. just doing it. The offense often stalled with Mirkovik in the lineup and then smoothed once Davis came in. Some of this is arriving late. Some of it is not.

Wagler: A bunch of freshman mistakes. He tried to do too much 1:1 at times. (Not bad play, just freshman play.)

Defense: A solid team defense was nowhere to be found tonight. The defense played was purely using size/athleticism vs. being in the right positions and doing the right things. Rotations were off (missing, missed). Closeouts were poor. I get we had some people out. This looked to be more than just a coordination issue. Individuals were looking lost and didn't have their job down yet.

Offense: Despite the score, the offense didn't seem to flow most of the time. (It flowed far better with Jake than with Mirkovik.) One issue was the passes, both inside out, and around the horn were not crisp enough. They gave the defense time to rotate and recover. Another issue was when an player near the hoop noticed a teammate driving at them. They blindly vacated the area leaving their defender right in the path of the driving player. Stay and seal them off.

Let’s get better each game, and make a run in March.
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Thanks for your expertise and assessment of this debacle.
 
#68      
Rebounding Dog
True! Wagler will go through the learning curve, but Petro back in the line up allows him to come along.
Z is not T! But will gives us some depth we did not have a year ago. It gets harder pretty quickly… getting guys back in the starting rolls is a good place to be. Hope we get there soon! It is early… but I am very optimistic!
 
#69      
Second place is 1st loser
grue2 said:
Coach style comments -- if you only want the orange tint, move along.

Humrich and Davis had solid games. They did not do anything flashy. They just did their assigned tasks and were (mostly) in the right places at the right time. The offense was much smoother when Davis was on the floor.

Big Z: Needs to work on protecting the ball. When you have a rebound, the first priority is holding onto it. You can't just lazily bring it down, and you especially can't go straight to a dribble. He lost multiple balls after the initial grab. Another issue is his passes. The passes, especially the ones inside out, are telegraphed. Several were tipped, and at least one was stolen. He also needs to get his arms up sooner when guarding the perimeter and they are going to shoot. They took several successful shots over him.

Mirkovik - He did well based on his size and strength. There were a TON of mental mistakes. First, like Z, there wasn't enough emphasis placed on protecting the ball. There were multiple lazy passes, some dangerous passes, and some poor decisions when to pass, e.g. the pass out to Davis when he should have just dunked it with authority. He also is too loose with the dribble in traffic. Mirkovik was out of position defensively a fair bit, and did a poor job of closing out on his man; he reacted too late, thinking "should I", vs. just doing it. The offense often stalled with Mirkovik in the lineup and then smoothed once Davis came in. Some of this is arriving late. Some of it is not.

Wagler: A bunch of freshman mistakes. He tried to do too much 1:1 at times. (Not bad play, just freshman play.)

Defense: A solid team defense was nowhere to be found tonight. The defense played was purely using size/athleticism vs. being in the right positions and doing the right things. Rotations were off (missing, missed). Closeouts were poor. I get we had some people out. This looked to be more than just a coordination issue. Individuals were looking lost and didn't have their job down yet.

Offense: Despite the score, the offense didn't seem to flow most of the time. (It flowed far better with Jake than with Mirkovik.) One issue was the passes, both inside out, and around the horn were not crisp enough. They gave the defense time to rotate and recover. Another issue was when an player near the hoop noticed a teammate driving at them. They blindly vacated the area leaving their defender right in the path of the driving player. Stay and seal them off.

Lets get better each game, and make a run in March.
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Ok, so what did we do well?

While I guy buy some constructive critique, this was flat out looking for an argument. If you win by 58 in game 1, then proceed to bury guys and not address one positive, the post is going to be viewed as nothing but trolling.
 
#73      
Iamgroot
I agree about Jackson state looking ugh.but atm ucla isn't looking great against lesser competition and yet there rated above us.im glad we showed out while missing a starter and and at least a key contributor in Petrovic if we can shoot 40% from 3 we have a shot against anybody assuming we can keep rebounding and at least play above average defense right?
 
#74      
pruman91
skyIdub said:
Sorry....I did not link these pregame quotes properly.... 🤷‍♂️
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lol , yeah bro I think we agree with your conclusion......my buzz intensified some wondering what ou were implying...
 
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